BEST HARMLESS/SIGNATURELESS SPEAKERS CAPACITORS.

Dear @grannyring  : Yesterday I decided to test the ODAM at the extremely critical amplifiers input position but unfortunatelly the ODAM does not comes yet with so low values as the 0.033uf that is need it.

Reading through the V-caps site and reading the customers comments nothing says is way different than a " boutique " level caps but I can't attest it till V-cap could liberate lower values as the one I need it.

As other V-cap customer opinions you use one of same words: " magic ".

It's an audiophile word that I normally don't like to use because in audio as in other overallindustry " magic " just does not exist.
What exist is solid mature engeering or not so solid/good engeneering.

Yes,I know " magic " is only an expresion but....

Btw, today I willfinish to " assemble " the 6 caps need it foreach speaker bass range. This assemble is way time consuming due that the Wima caps are designed to use in circuit boards not hard wired as I do and its output pins are to short for an easy task about. 
I hope it will be worth this time consuming effort.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

Magic is a good and proper word not just an audiophile word to be meet with distain. It rightly gets at the notion that some sensory experiences are hard to put into words and explain. In audio it expresses a sense of wonder and immersion into the music at deeper levels than previously enjoyed.

I honestly think your now obvious anti-audiophile bias is greatly influencing and predetermining many of your tests and outcomes. 

Dear @grannyring  : Certainly I'm not anti-audiophile and has not a bias in that direction because I'm an audiophile too.

I'm against not true/faithful  " musical " audio items. You can read in my Agon virtual system my main system/audio targets and I'm building a room/system to stay nearer to those audiophile/Music lover targets.

From some years now I use only SS electronics, no tubes any more because tube technology is not  faithful to the near field MUSIC live experience.

Tubes are noisy, has higher distortions, low whole resolution and very bad at both frequency extremes. I owned and tested from the Ongaku-On by Audio Note to entry level tube electronics and some old times I was in love with the tube " fake " sound till I learned.

A good SS electronic design is way superior and overall has a very high resolution and accuracy with very low noise and distortions of every kind where you can't hide nothing because any weak ling in the system chain will go out when in the tube electronics the weak links are hidden behind all the tube poor technology.

Take a look about the boutique caps the audiophile normal caps where in electronics are used mainly with tube electronics.

The very first site page in the ODAM V-cap shows  the ODAM caps inside a tube electronics and the 90% of the " great "  comments came from tube electronics owners. Same with Jupiter or Duelund where tubes natural failure technology cover the true behind those " magic " caps.

Jupiter site:

"""Beeswax HT Cryo Capacitors – Round

A classic design utilizing modern materials and knowledge without forgetting original manufacturing techniques.  You will get exceptional detail and nuance, and most importantly great tone. "

and most importantly great tone.

IMHO a cap is not a tone device but must be a totally neutral one.

WIMA caps are totally neutral caps that can tell you your electronics or systems failures. Are straigth caps where nothing can hide behing a " glamorous " cap performance and maybe is that charactyeristic of Wima what normally we don't like it because we are not accustomed to that faithful to MUSIC kind of sound.

WIMA caps permit that a good SS designs or speakers can shows it at its best, obviously that exist not so good SS designs and the Wima can tell tus that not so good design.

WIMA caps is a true challenge for any room/audio system, it'0s not only a cap but a true challenge as it's the today digital alternative.

I'm not against tubes, I'm against average/mediocre quality performance levels because I already experienced that kind of levels coming from tubes and from SS too. These first hand experiences improved my discriminating test comparison/evaluations.

Yes, is only my opinion but is shared for other audiophiles that listened my system. No, my system is far away from be perfect. Nothing is perfect and I always am in the quest ofv that " perfection ". I work with facts according my room/system targets and even that I don't listen yet the WIMA in the speaker bass range till today WIMA puts me nearer to those targets.

As I said before I respect a lot your opinion and our disagreements comes by our different ( not so different I think ) targets. I mean not so different because you and me first than all are music lovers that at the end is what really matters.

Our audio hobby is full of fun learning fun.

Today I finished the interconnect both six caps set for the crossovers and I want tomorrow to solder it to the speakers and give at least 24 hours of continuos playing for the WIMA settle down, so maybe this Saturday I can begin with the specific evaluation of the caps in that frequency range.

R.

Understood.  It comes down to personal preferences and sonic bias as mentioned early on.  

Dear @grannyring  and friends:  through this thread I " learned " a lot and for me it's not of personal preferences bias but for me is: what is rigth and what is wrong, no matters what I like .

In this thread my internal " mouse " made " click " when I made an overall research through the net about caps and read carefully a lot of information and along that all my past first hand experiences: good experiences and bad experiences too.

WIMA as Analog Devices or Texas Instruments are not corporations dedicated to the audio high end, as a fact all them just does not cares about we audiophuiles needs.

Those kind of item corporation are world INDUSTRIAL supliers for any kind of industries as: all digital industry, military industry, aero space or aeronautic enterprises, car manufacturers, medical industry and any one you can name it.

Why all the industry goes with them and other same kind of caliber suppliers? because the world industry are not looking for " snake oil " ( as us, including me. ) but they are looking for a matured and proved solid engeneering.

That's why I pull the triguer with the Powertron resistors when I remember of Vishay corporation that is an industrial supplier. I was willing to buy Path Audio resistors but this is a high end audio supplier not the Vishay levels.

Look, which kind of solder are we using?, normally audio high-end  like: Audio Note, WBT, Mundorf, Oyaide and the like.

Well I already used all those and several other coming from different " manufacturers " in the audio high-end market but from a few months now I'm using a specialist INDUSTRIAL solder supplier: AIM, nothing comes nearer to it and they have several kind of alloys, flux, etc, etc and even receive custom orders from the industry and manufacture in specific for that customer.

Well, we can't find out Wima cap´s or AIM solder in the high end catalog suppliers as HiFi Collectve or Parts conextion or M.Pertcy, you can name it.

Unfortunatelly we audiophiles are not accustomed to those great great INDUSTRIAL suppliers products that are way way a head of the normal high end products.

I know the high end industry is not rigth but wrong or not so good as we could think.

The fuses threads is a clear example of what I'm talking about and people die for that snake oil fuses. I was there but fortunatelly today I just don't use any input fuses in my system.

No, it's useless to test the ODAM cap´s or the Path Audio resistors. I go for that mature and proved solid INDUSTRIAL engeneering.

Please think about and better than that any one of you or all give you an opportunity to " feel " the reality/true of what you are listening even if you are way satisfied. 

Try to be opened for what you never experienced before: why not ? what can you lost?

Btw, the ADS bass range cap value spec is 100uf and my WIMA measured 101.2 and 101.6 on each channel and are caps with 20% tolerance specs.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.