Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
avguru
I was also considering a DV-50s due to all the great reviews and comments about it but one thing kind of puzzles me though. Why are there so many for sale on Audiogon? Are they not as good as they are said to be and people are trading them off or are they JUST that popular? The majority of the ones for sale are the older DV-50 though not the S version so possibly they are upgrading to the newer S version.
For anyone that can't do the shootout and is willing to traval to Cedar Falls IA. I have the Emm lab set-up through Tenor OTLs. I have been through the cable and powercord thing and feel my system is as good as it is going to get with what I have to work with. 319-266-8325
Arnold_h, the S version of the DV-50 has some video upgrades. The audio part of the S and non-S is exactly the same. See you email for explanaton why there are so many DV-50 for sale. It is testimonial from former DV-50 owner.

When it comes to the DV-50, as I mentioned before, it is Pioneer DV-47Ai in Teac box. The Teac has their own power supply, Upsampling processor, DACs and Analog stage which of course makes it much better performer than the Pioneer DV-47Ai.

The DV-50 needs master clock circuit capable of providing eight (8) different frequiencies. Installation of Super Clock I, II or III will somewhat help six (6) of these, but not the other two (2) which are essential for CD playback using the Upsampling modes.

Regards,
Alex
Meitner: A word of caution. I believe AVGURU et al already know this but I have quite a few comments on Meitner gear in audiogon which are somewhat misguided. If you are going to test the gear make absolutely sure you are using the proprietarty optical link btwn the transport and DAC6 or DCC2. Only then do you get the full measure of performance as one of the keys to Meitner gear is that ir upconverts PCM to DSD before analogue conversion. Without the optical link, u don't get this and end up regular PCM to analogue conversion.
Henryhk, DAC6e and DCC2 are converting to DSD even the PCM from another transport. It is not nesessary to use the EMM transport in order to have DSD converted PCM. What really matters is the re-clocking of the EMM transport which can not be done using non EMM transport and that is where the big diffrence comes from. Both DAC6 and DCC2 are using DSD1700 DACs which are the Burr-Brown top notch DSD DACs. These do not support PCM.

Regards,
Alex