Matching favourite Stylus to another Cartridge


Hi guys,
from technical point of view i’m quite fresh to turntables.

Have stylus which i like very much (it’s definitely not an audiophile one- doesn’t matter) and don’t want to change it- unfortunately, the cartridge needs to be changed.
Here comes the trouble- this kind of cartridge isn’t produced anymore. I’ve found at least 2 cartridges from the same brand with quite similar specs.

So, here comes my question: Are all of the technical specs, like output voltage, channel separation, frequency response the domain only of the stylus itself or does the cartridge itself influence it in any way?

Frankly: can any other cartridge than the original one have impact on the sound? Does cartridge body itself has any properties when it comes about sound quality and characteristics?

For some this question may be stupid, for me it isn’t- so, i’d appreciate every helpful tip very much :-)
samplivist
So, here comes my question: Are all of the technical specs, like output voltage, channel separation, frequency response the domain only of the stylus itself or does the cartridge itself influence it in any way?


The stylus traces the record groove. Period. It definitely impacts the sound, but it is far from being as decisive or important as you seem to think.

Stylus shape determines how it fits in the groove. The goal is to follow the groove wall. Why? As the stylus moves left and right, up and down, what is it doing? 

The stylus is at the tip of the cantilever. That's the thin little wire you see coming out the bottom of the cartridge. As the stylus moves back and forth it wiggles the cantilever. 

Why is it called the cantilever? Because its a lever. The cantilever goes way up inside the cartridge where you can't see. There's lots of different designs but basically they all look something like this:
http://turntablebasics.com/images/ATMagnetics.jpg
This is what's called a moving magnet (MM) cartridge. Moving coil (MC) is the same only the magnets and coils are reversed. That's not the point.

The point is the stylus traces the groove, which moves the cantilever, which moves the magnets (or coils) which makes the signal.

Every single one of these component parts has a huge impact on the sound. Its not just the stylus. Its all of them. 

Frankly: can any other cartridge than the original one have impact on the sound? Does cartridge body itself has any properties when it comes about sound quality and characteristics?

Oh good, you asked about the cartridge body. Yes that too.

I understand when you said "cartridge body" you lumped all the inside stuff in the picture above together with the outside of the body you can see. When in fact the body is one more component part of the cartridge. 

What happens is every time you play a record the stylus starts moving back and forth which causes the cantilever to vibrate which causes the whole suspension and magnets and yes the cartridge body to start vibrating. 

The problem is the signal we wind up with coming out the cartridge is the result only of the magnets and coils moving relative to each other. If you look at the way this is all made you can see there is no way of separating the stylus vibrations that are the signal we want from all the other stuff vibrating that we don't want.

So yes even the cartridge body itself, by the way it helps (or doesn't) to control all this vibration has a huge influence on the sound.

That's what makes these things so expensive and hard to make. Every single one of these tiny little parts affects the sound. The stylus is the least of it. Well, actually not any more the least than any of the other parts. They all matter.

The beauty of this is you can pretty much forget about the stylus. You can forget about the cantilever. All you need to think about is how much voltage does it put out, and how does it sound? You want enough output for your phono stage. That's first. Once you have that then you want it to sound as good as possible for the money. That's it. Whatever stylus or body or whatever has enough output and sounds good enough, that's the one.
The stylus grip has to fit the body of your cartridge. Usually there are several, if not many styli+grips that will fit a given cartridge.

First, and foremost, what is the model of your cartridge?


+1 chakster! The Jico SAS stylus replacement is the way to go! I bought one as a future replacement when I got my NIB Shure V15mk5mrx!
Which stylus do you have, and with which cartridge body do you want to use it? We may be of greater help if you tell us. 
Regards, samplivist:

The answer to your question is yes and no. 
 
First, the stylus assembly should be dimensionally correct for your replacement cartridge.
 
Next, styli and cartridges are "tuned" for best frequency response (paraphrased from Shure data base):

1)  The mechanical response of the stylus, which typically has a resonance just past 20 kHz (ibid), this raises the frequency response as you go up in frequency.
2)  The electrical response of the coil in the cartridge (resistance and inductance) loaded by the cable and preamp it’s attached to which lowers it (with a high slope - 12 dB/octave)
3)  The magnetic response (eddy current losses) of the pole pieces in the cartridge (this lowers it with a low slope – 3 dB / octave).

  Laminated pole pieces reduce eddy currents, if non-laminated there will be roll-off due to loss from eddy currents. If cantilever resonance introduces unwanted high frequency emphasis  cantilever damping may be necessary so it's not always a case of "if it fits, it sits".

  To name a few, some Goldring, Shure and Audio Technica share cartridge bodies across a wide range of cartridge designations, the difference being the supplied stylus. There is a wide range of appropriate substitutions within these "families" of cartridges.

  Although purists may rightfully object, others have experimented with these substitutions and even if not entirely appropriate, have found the results pleasing.

  It should also be mentioned that cartridges rarely fail. A little additional information such as the model of your cartridge and a description of why you believe your cartridge is faulty would be helpful.

Peace,