More Power or use subwoofer to boost bass for music


Hi,   just want to know if anyone can offer their opinions on how to boost the bass when listening to 2 channel music.

I just got a pair of B&W 804 D3 and would like to get more bass out of the speakers.   I remember the bass was pretty punchy when I heard it in the dealer showroom, but I don't seem to get that in my setup.   I currently have Parasound A31 power amp with 250 watts per channel.

So the question is whether I should get a more power amp, or add subwoofer to my 2 channel music.  I'm a little bit of a purist and would prefer not to use a subwoofer for music, but I'm open to this option.

I would definitely appreciate if anyone can share their experience/opinion.   Thanks very much.
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@jl35 wrote: "when using 2 subs with floor standers, do they need to be identical or can they be close models..."  

They do not need to be the same. 

Duke
Or, as my experience and measurements have shown, you treat the room with some decent bass traps and wall coverings to ensure the treble/bass balance is correct but no.... that's too much ....???
@erik_squires I used to think that way too. Then I encountered the Swarm, and in looking into the theory behind it, realized that its the elegant approach to a vexing problem- reliably getting the bass right in nearly any room.


Duke didn't invent the idea- and he would be the first to tell you usually, but in this case I beat him to the punch. It comes from a guy pretty well known in audio engineering circles; Dr. Floyd Toole.


So this isn't a cult thing- its just that its an idea whose time has come, and all that's happening here is you've not read up on it. So I suggest you read or look at some of Dr. Toole's talks on YouTube. Here's a good place to start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpUDuUtxPM
Now this link doesn't say anything about a DBA, but it does very successfully show how the bass is so important in the way a speaker presents itself. Take the time to play the whole thing (the intro is done at about 4 minutes).


In a nutshell, you put Dr. Toole down at your own peril. He's one of the top engineers in his field. So- when someone is complaining about bass, no, you don't treat a room with traps because it literally doesn't work- although prior to running a DBA you might think it does. Its not a cult, its science. Don't be that guy who contributes to the death of science- look at how Dr. Toole developed this.

Very much interesting and excellent suggestions presented here.  My only contribution to the discussion addresses what I believe to be missing.  That is, in my opinion, the OP has never actually measured whether he/she actually has a bass loss problem.  The OP discussed how the bass sounded different in the store (real surprise here) than in the home.

The first thing I would do in this case is to actually measure the frequency response of the system from the listening position.  Using free Ipad/ipod software such as Audiotools, and a test cd such as Stereophiles test cds, you can farily accurately measure where the frequency response is at the listening position.  Do that first.  See where the peaks and valleys actually are in your system.

You actually may not have a problem at all.  My experience is that yes, the room quite often negatively affects the sound.  But, you have to measure it first to know if you have a problem and where it is.

Then, work of fixing it.  Many systems actually boost bass to get a physical response from people.  "Wow, that bass sounds great".  However, that bass response you hear often isn't accurate.  I've heard systems with wayyyyy too much bass.  

Anyway, not trying to argue with anyone here, but I would measure first, then determine if I actually have a problem and then find ways of fixing it.  It may be room treatment as opposed to bigger more powerful amps or multiple subwoofers.

just a thought.

enjoy and stay safe
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