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Classe CAM 350 monoblock vs Classe CAM-400 or Bryston 4B3

I am looking at two Classè audiogon postings. A Classe CAM 350 monoblock ($4,449) vs Classe CAM-400 monoblock ($4,900).


I don’t know Classè amps all that well but the earliest reviews I can find for the CAM 350 go back to 2001. The CA-400 may go back to 2009, when was the CAM-400 last made? I don’t know. Any differences in reliability or performance?

Should I assume both need to be recapped? Does one amp run hotter than the other? Is one Class A the other class AB?

Are there any Classè experts out there? I’d guess for the newer more powerful CAM-400 and extra $450 is not much of a difference everything else being equal.

As an audiogon virgin, having never bought or sold here I don’t know that “everything else is equal”.  I don't know how much to trust what I read.

All source material will be FLAC files. Speakers are Magnepan 3.7i about two years old. I know I love how Classè sounds but I worry about the heat making the room unlivable.  My taste in music is eclectic, almost anything except rap.

Perhaps the cool alternative would be a used Bryston 4B3 which Audiogon has 4 for sale at $4,100 - $4,500, any of which would have to be newer and less expensive than the Classè amps.  I have never listened to Bryston 4B3 on magnepan 3.7i speakers.  I don't know if I would like it?

A little guidance for the blind, but not deaf, yet, please; thank you.


timothywright
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georgehifi
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If I will not use something because they make my home unlivable than no sense paying $4,900 for it

It won’t, people think Classe Audio amps are Class-A and produce big heat and is going to roast them. They are not, they have as as much Class-A bias put on them to make them run luke warm like any other Class-A/B amp.
And if thrashed at party levels they will get hot, just like any other Class-A/B amp will.
If you want a cool running amp get a Class-D and you go black too as sound won’t matter.

Cheers George
timothywright OP
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I have an angel who lives on my right shoulder (Thanks be to God).  The Bryston 4B3 was on consignment and the owner of title does not want to ship the Bryston power amp cross country. Call it divine providence.  So the deal fell through.  I am not out a dime.

There is a local owner of a pair of Classe' Audio CAM 400 monoblock speakers who I expect (Lawd willin') will let me try the pair in my own listening room.   If I can avoid S&H, sales tax and demo in my own home I'll be a happy puppy.  That will cost $1,300 more than plan "A" but if it does not burn down the house with BTUs I know I can live with the Classe sound.

So I may yet own a set of Classe monoblocks. As long as I don't worship them it will not break the first commandment.  (joke)
timothywright OP
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The soap opera is never over. The Classe dealer is now answering his phone but he no longer sells Classe.

 

He would like me to listen to McIntosh MC312 which gets great reviews, but he doesn’t have any Magnepan 3.7i speakers to mate up with them.

 The McIntosh MC312 actually gets rave reviews for being rewarding to listen to at conversational levels of volume. It would not fit on the unmovable shelf under my TV.

 Then I am reminded that the McIntosh MC462 is only $1000 more and perhaps better fitting my power requirements?

 I was warned that McIntosh owners are cult members and that McIntosh was not as good as Pass Labs or Classe for the same money.

 I am still keeping an open mind, looking for a little direction here because for me $8,000 is a whole lot of money.


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georgehifi
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timothywright OP
I was warned that McIntosh owners are cult members and that McIntosh was not as good as Pass Labs or Classe for the same money.
They’er not.

Seriously have a look at the new John Curl design Halo A21+ you should find a dealer that will let you listen to it. and you’ll have $$$ left in your pockets.
https://parasound.com/a21+.php
https://www.stereophile.com/content/parasound-halo-21-power-amplifier

Or if you want monoblocks and can afford them the Halo JC1+ monoblocks, (too new no review/bench tests yet.)
https://parasound.com/jc1+.php


Cheers George
sgmsmg
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@timothywright I am not sure what EchoHiFi said exactly but I am the owner of the 4B3 on consignment with them. They never contacted me about shipping this so there seems to be some misunderstanding. If you are still interested please let me know. I will contact them tomorrow and figure out what is going on.


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