I figure that the scammers got in on the ground floor actually. It just took awhile for them to "Perfect" their, "Games" I guess. But you can weed them out for the most part.
"4Krowme"? I agree with everything you have said. But also realize- There are a few of use who got into moving used gear, "But ONLY of a certain quality", not to make a profit. I started out actually just helping friends find nice gear at a good price. The fact that I could fix it? That changed the ballgame a bit because I actually got "Heavy" into it trying to "Find, fix and then sell at simply the cost of what I had in the gear itself". This so friends , then acquaintances, and finally everyone whom fancied themselves "Budding Audiophiles"- So they could not only find the gear I was talking about. But try it, enjoy it and learn from it. And also to further, "As a whole", this hobby I love and enjoy so much. And I am not the only one. But typically? "We", don't advertise ourselves. Take for instance the fact that I will not here, tell you my username nor even the sites I list/deal with the most. The gear that I sell. after I have found it. I typically have had at least a few months at least before I list it. And either I have gone through it myself OR If I don't have the time. I am paying one of the few shops around that I trust, "To a point"!
And have cultivated a relationship with. And many of these fellows at the shops I have gotten to know over many years. "Like most of us end up doing". And really only deal with the few of those whom seem to care as much as I do about this gear.
Now, Why do I still do this? Many friends over the years "seemed", to be "Budding Audiophiles", yet always ended up with say, "The Pioneer flagship stereo system" (At BEST)! As their end-game when it came to audio. But "I", could show them and then "Get them", a system just nice enough. To be just (Sensitive) enough. To really begin to hear the differences. But ONLY with older, 'Vintage", type gear. much of the same gear I found the, "Magic" in back in the 60's, 70's and 80's myself. And now for about half the cost of that, "Pioneer", "stuff"? They can get a system that was a companies "Flagship", of amp/amps and pre. With modern source gear and speakers of at least a decent quality. "The speakers have also been gone through as needed", if used. {Yes, I do that as well,.....Exhausting}!!
And "POOF"! They get to experience the magic they thought had disappeared from life back "Usually", in the 80's. And, "I", get another friend to share my hobby with.
But yeah, the cost of say one of these amplifiers after I acquire it and then fix and sometimes upgrade a few things? Typically a bit more then what it sold for new. But adjusted for inflation? One hell of a deal! And to purchase "anything", new? Anything that would even begin to approach the sound quality of this gear? It would cost WAY more than any of them would shell out without first,- "Climbing that ladder" that "IS", this hobby!
Eventually, some do, some stop there. Most fall in the middle actually, but ALL are happy!
And you have to admit.....Having a nice sounding rig does indeed, (Improve the overall quality of your life).
And if you cannot realize that? I am not to sure, just quite "Why", you are here!
Yeah, there ARE scams,. They "abound", in fact. If it sounds too good to be true..........
But there are also those like myself....
And, "NO", I still will not answer a question asking me to sell "That amp Nelson Pass built by hand", to you- For just $250 bucks! And that "After" asking for, "Provenance". Of which I then provided!!!
Talk about, "Exhausting"....
And yes, That has happened- MORE than once...
There are always two sides!
And I'll end with this.
When it comes to the "really", nice "Vintage", gear?
It is actually NOT, "A Buyers Market". And for good reason.
Think on that a bit...
And also think about the fact that ALL of the gear "Used" I have purchased? All of it was purchased from "Online sites" here or, "Overseas"-(Auctions)!
And that is an entirely different ballgame!
"4Krowme"? I agree with everything you have said. But also realize- There are a few of use who got into moving used gear, "But ONLY of a certain quality", not to make a profit. I started out actually just helping friends find nice gear at a good price. The fact that I could fix it? That changed the ballgame a bit because I actually got "Heavy" into it trying to "Find, fix and then sell at simply the cost of what I had in the gear itself". This so friends , then acquaintances, and finally everyone whom fancied themselves "Budding Audiophiles"- So they could not only find the gear I was talking about. But try it, enjoy it and learn from it. And also to further, "As a whole", this hobby I love and enjoy so much. And I am not the only one. But typically? "We", don't advertise ourselves. Take for instance the fact that I will not here, tell you my username nor even the sites I list/deal with the most. The gear that I sell. after I have found it. I typically have had at least a few months at least before I list it. And either I have gone through it myself OR If I don't have the time. I am paying one of the few shops around that I trust, "To a point"!
And have cultivated a relationship with. And many of these fellows at the shops I have gotten to know over many years. "Like most of us end up doing". And really only deal with the few of those whom seem to care as much as I do about this gear.
Now, Why do I still do this? Many friends over the years "seemed", to be "Budding Audiophiles", yet always ended up with say, "The Pioneer flagship stereo system" (At BEST)! As their end-game when it came to audio. But "I", could show them and then "Get them", a system just nice enough. To be just (Sensitive) enough. To really begin to hear the differences. But ONLY with older, 'Vintage", type gear. much of the same gear I found the, "Magic" in back in the 60's, 70's and 80's myself. And now for about half the cost of that, "Pioneer", "stuff"? They can get a system that was a companies "Flagship", of amp/amps and pre. With modern source gear and speakers of at least a decent quality. "The speakers have also been gone through as needed", if used. {Yes, I do that as well,.....Exhausting}!!
And "POOF"! They get to experience the magic they thought had disappeared from life back "Usually", in the 80's. And, "I", get another friend to share my hobby with.
But yeah, the cost of say one of these amplifiers after I acquire it and then fix and sometimes upgrade a few things? Typically a bit more then what it sold for new. But adjusted for inflation? One hell of a deal! And to purchase "anything", new? Anything that would even begin to approach the sound quality of this gear? It would cost WAY more than any of them would shell out without first,- "Climbing that ladder" that "IS", this hobby!
Eventually, some do, some stop there. Most fall in the middle actually, but ALL are happy!
And you have to admit.....Having a nice sounding rig does indeed, (Improve the overall quality of your life).
And if you cannot realize that? I am not to sure, just quite "Why", you are here!
Yeah, there ARE scams,. They "abound", in fact. If it sounds too good to be true..........
But there are also those like myself....
And, "NO", I still will not answer a question asking me to sell "That amp Nelson Pass built by hand", to you- For just $250 bucks! And that "After" asking for, "Provenance". Of which I then provided!!!
Talk about, "Exhausting"....
And yes, That has happened- MORE than once...
There are always two sides!
And I'll end with this.
When it comes to the "really", nice "Vintage", gear?
It is actually NOT, "A Buyers Market". And for good reason.
Think on that a bit...
And also think about the fact that ALL of the gear "Used" I have purchased? All of it was purchased from "Online sites" here or, "Overseas"-(Auctions)!
And that is an entirely different ballgame!