Not much talk about Yamaha turntables.


I've been wanting to jump into the analog world for years, but for a lack of experience and/or knowledge about the equipment, I haven't. There's plenty of talk here about the big names in analog and I was surprised the other day browsing around somewhere that Yamaha has turntables.  Are these any good?  What do they compare to in terms of other more well-known analog names?  I'm not asking about their $8,000 models.  I will never be able to afford that.  I'm asking more about their sub $1k models.  

Thanks!
shtinkydog
Alrighty then. I’m gonna shoot for the Pioneer. Now for the cartridge. I see here that the Grado Prestige Black and the Nagaoka MP110 were recommended for this TT. Can anyone describe the differences in these two or recommend another cartridge(s)?

The best advice is to ignore the Pioneer and buy a proper Technics MK7 instead for $899 

About cartridge: 

Rare Pioneer PC-1000 MKII cartridge with Beryllium Cantilever would be the best, but definitely not at the price of entry level Nagaoka or Grado.

If you want the best from Joseph Grado look for Signature XTZ

You will see Pioneer PC-1000 mkII and Grado XTZ on this image from my collection (along with Grace LEVEL II Br/Mr).

Pioneer PC-1000 mkII sound is very close to my favorite Stanton SC-100 WOS (another excellent choice). Stanton and Pickering are great for those tonearms. You can ask KAB who service Technics.  

These are exceptionally good MM cartridges.

Never buy any cartridge with Conical tip, this is the worst stylus profile on the planet with shortest life-span, and you will may a lot if you want to re-tip MC cartridges.

There is ONLY one reason why nagaoka MP110 recommended for this Pioneer turntable, the reason is cheap price, but if you will read more about stylus profile you will understand why it is cheap.

Almost any MM cartridge is perfect for Pioneer or Technics tonearm. There are tons of Technics clones on the market, but if you want the real thing look for Technics instead, the SL1500C comes with cartridge and built-in phono stage if the low price is the key for you! 

Other companies just steal Technics original design (like new Pioneer). 

Something else: You can also read what ZU AUDIO posted about $899 Denon turntable on their site
That Pioneer turntable made for DJs as the Pioneer target market is professionals (for decades), DJs have been using those direct drives for a long time, audiophiles joined later with some praise about them for some reason.

Technics SL1200GR or even cheaper mk7 are much better than all of them.  






Chakster, I'll look into those.   I'm afraid to see how much the "signature" grado will be.  
oh, $450. yeah that's not gonna happen.  I'm trying to keep this whole thing under a grand. 
@shtinkydog i see, i just updated my post above, more options for you, but $1k is tight budget, maybe step by step ? Technics SL1500c also available in black for $1200 (a complete system with built-in phonostage and cart) .......... or $899 Technics mk7 + better cartridge.
Chakster:  There you go, much better!!!! I'm not looking to build a reference TT.  First of all, I'm just getting into vinyl.  It's a whole new world for me.  I was reading about all the adjustments I might have to make and that's what turns me off, although I'm sure others live for this.   And secondly, I'm not looking to blow several grand.  I'm looking for a good, solid quality entry level unit.   I have no plans on upgrading whatever I decide on (that's what we all say).  So I want to get something decent and get it right the first time.  That's why I'm here, to get good solid opinions and advice.