My Demo results: I feel like I'm at a frustrating block in my speaker journey


Hi all,

New poster and longtime lurker. 

As the title says, I feel like I'm at a frustrating endpoint in my audio quest, and hoping to draw from your guys' experience for some direction.

I bought my first speaker system a couple years ago because at my old house my tv speakers were not cutting it. 

First I bought an old budget pair of Klipsche bookshelves (P15s?  I dont really remember)  They were really shrill, and I sold them fairly quickly. 

After reading a bunch of the mainstream audio review sites (I now understand these platforms are often pay to play) I purchased the ELAC Unifi UF5 Towers.  These had beautiful, lush musical bass but sounded about engaging as energetic as a sponge.  They also had kind of a dark muffled sound at times- like there is a wet blanket over them.   Paradoxically, they also sound inorganic and kind of metallic. 

In the past few months I decided to start demoing speakers to see what I like.  Ive found some speakers that do certain things right, but not everything right.  Every one of the high-end, expensive speakers I have tried have had certain large flaws. I've been kind of shocked at this whole experience, because to my ears my $60 set of logitec computer speakers handily beats a number of speakers 50x more expensive. Like, they dont have great detail retrieval or clarity but at least they dont color the sound a ton, and they present very engagingly.

Im still lookijng for my goldilocks speaker.

  • Various Kefs- very similar to the ELACs but worse imo- very metallic and unengaging
  • Various B&W- Metallic, boring, no dynamics
  • Warfedale Evo 4.4- nice highs!  Absolutely sloppy bass (for my room at least) and terribly muddy mids
  • Tannoy Revolution 6XTE- Similar to above.  Very, very dark speakers.
  • Martin Logan 35XTI bookshelves-  Eureka!  These are much more organic and clear.  Guitars actually sound like guitars instead of a bad digital rendering of them.  Theres energy in what I listen to.  This is what I was missing in the others... things sound like theyre supposed to!   Only issue is they arent as full-bodied as towers.  They just cant play very loud and I wish they had more bass to be better full range speakers.    Somewhat more minor issue is that they sound slightly grainy.  Though thats not a total dealbreaker. 
  • Martin Logan 60XTI Towers- I had high hopes for these.... but where did the magic for the 35s go ML?  These are very "meh".  The highs and satisfying acoustic resonances are gone.
  • Focal Aria 906 bookshelves- holy clarity batman!  But it sounds almost too clinical to the point that theyre not engaging.
  • Focal Aria 948 Towers-  Holy clarity and body batman!  These sound almost perfect- but they dont quite come alive until higher volumes (and I have a small space), and there's still something missing... a certain *zing* in the acoustic guitar resonances. 
  • Def Tech 9060- Hard to describe.  Sometimes they sounded good, sometimes they sounded imprecise and like the drivers were way too small.  Bass gets bloaty in my room.  Theyre also ugly as hell. 
  • Ascend Sierra Tower with RAAL-  After all the others, I had only tthe ML 35XTIs and the focal 948s remaining.  I was hoping, based on my extensive reading of forums, that the ascend towers could give the best of both worlds- the clarity/full body of the focals with the acoustic resonance/energy/zing of the MLs.  Unfortunately I was once again disappointed.  They seem unbalanced to my ears.  Like, they have very punchy bass but they color the sound to be sweet and there seems to be something missing in the middle of the sound.... some body that just isnt there.  The highs are very sweet and engaging, but almost a little artificially so.  Where the MLs sound like an actual acoustic guitar being played in front of me, the Sierras make it sound unnaturally sweet or high.  Theres unnaturally sweet zzzing out of string instruments that I dont think actually sound that way....  Im bummed because I really wanted to like these speakers. 


I think I've established a list of qualities Im looking for:
  • The etched sound of the MLs
  • Full body and clarity of the Focals
  • The forward, engaging nature of the ascends
  • Not overly smooth
  • Not metallic (I dont think I like aluminum tweeters)
  • wide horizontal dispersion (my room is wider than it is long)

Where do I go from here?  Im at a loss.  Id appreciate any recommendations you guys have. 

mjt8
I tried to like the Focal Aria line, but even the 948's lacked bass.  I think these are designed for classical and opera.  I also thought the B&W's were lacking in the bass.  Two REL subs would help.  However, I felt they were over priced.

I actually ended up with a pair of Paradigm Prestige 85F towers and liked them the most.  They were neutral and still produced enough bass.  However, everyone needs to think about adding a pair REL Subs to be able to hear more of a recording.  I would have liked to hear a pair of Paradigm Prestige 98F towers.

I still think the SALK Song3 Encore towers are incredible and they only cost $6,000.  You will think they are at least $30,000 when you hear them.  Only problem they are sold direct.  Jim Salk is able to put much higher drivers in his speakers because he doesn't have to discount his speakers to a dealer who will make all of the profit.
You really just can't pull out speakers 2-3 ft. in a room like that. Where's the room for that?

You might want to consider keeping your rack and TV in the existing spot and having smaller speakers fire lengthwise in the room.

Have you tried paper dolls? Make cut-outs of all your furniture and place them on graph paper with the walls of your room laid out.  An see what you can do with that first.

I just moved into my home in October 2019.  But I used a computer program to build all my furniture pieces and equipment racks to determine layouts that would appease my wife and the audio gods.

I chose to defer to my wife and the picture window and went with the 2nd best room layout I drew up. After moving in...I tweaked.  It's May and I'm still tweaking. One of my wife's concessions is that there will be no framed artwork/pictures that us glass.  Family pictures are in the dining room and hall. For those of us without a dedicated listening room, we need to make and accept compromises.




I second the Magnepan 3.7i. with 2 subwoofers  However they only sound as good as your power conditioning, gear and cables. 
Or consider an open baffle speaker.  For me I tire of the box sound of box speakers under  $12-15,000.
You probably like your Logitech because your ears are within 18" of them and you are not getting any room interaction.  

Forget speaker, amp, DAC and whatever else upgrades. Get an EQ! learn to use it, and play with your speaker placement and room treatments, if any.  

I have three systems and each has an EQ.  Yamaha 10-band, DN360 31 band, and a miniDSP 2x4hd.  In all three cases the system sounds better with the EQ than without.  

I guess the upgrades business are the reason EQs are frowned upon.