Digital sources best with Hydra 8's analog outlets

Tvad: Now you're relying on spec's, empirical evidence and manufacturer's claims? I would think that Brent's comments as passed onto him by the manufacturer of the product itself would tell you something.

So that everyone else can follow along with what i'm getting at, IF the Hydra truly weren't "current limiting", it wouldn't matter where the amp was plugged in at. That's because there would be an abundance of current and power capacity regardless of the outlet chosen and where it was located within the wiring scheme of the Hydra. Given that this comment came from Brent aka Brainwater, i have no reason to doubt the validity of it. Given the internal wiring scheme of the unit, which i provided a link to for all to see, i can understand why Shunyata would say what Brent claimed they told him.

Other than that, i agree with your comment. If a manufacturer tells you that the unit isn't current limited, it should be able to provide a steady state level of current up to the rating of the circuit breaker and wiring feeding it. Sean
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The Hydras are entirely non-current limiting to amplifiers or any other equipment up to the 20amp limit of the Carling breaker-- period. There are several studios, such as Astoria, using Hydra 2's to feed 30amp draw Neve 88 panels and various ultra-high current amplifiers (Halcros. OTL's etc).

Each duplex outlet on the Hydra has its own filter/protection network on a circuit board bolted to the outlet. This isolates each outlet from all others. We have measured results detailing the effects of a paper-shredders effect on an adjoining outlet first with no network engaged and then activated--the posted results speak for themselves--unless people think we made them up, of course. That seems to be opined a lot on net boards--"they're all liars and snake-oil peddlers"...

Ideally, amplifiers are best placed on their own dedicated line, not bunched up on a single line with all other electronics--though obviously not everyone can install multiple lines and must use only one. The reason I or another person within our company might recommend placing amps next to the power-input (if asked) is not technically to "give it more power", but just as a common-sense recommendation given proximity. I have spoken to some that prefer their amps in the digital section away from the power-inlet and vice-versa. There really are no "rules" involved, just subjective experience related to use and operation.

Nobody I am aware of or have ever heard from has experienced ANY voltage fluctuations or power problems of any kind with using Hydra models in _any_ application..and there are four-five thousand of them in circulation throughout the world.

This is all fwiw,

Regards,

Grant
Shunyata Research

Tvad: If these devices aren't current limited in any way, and they offer a very high level of isolation from outlet to outlet / duplex to duplex as the manufacturer claims, it shouldn't make ANY difference what outlet a component is plugged into in terms of available power or the AC noise floor. Unlimited current capacity and complete isolation are just that. The fact that Shunyata provides no specifics for any of these categories only leaves one to speculate at how effective their products really are. Providing specifications and the methods used to obtain those results would put all of this to rest. People shouldn't have to guess or "reverse engineer" / publicly dissect their products in order try and figure such things out. Sean
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PS... The only reason that i looked into the Hydra's is because several Agon members asked me to via private email and this product came up in a previous Agon thread pertaining to the use of grounded / ungrounded AC power cords. These people had no resources available to them to find out technical specifics about the product in an easy fashion, so they asked for my thoughts on the subject. In NO WAY did i go out of my way to find a product to attack / belittle. As i've mentioned before, these type of products typically don't interest me, so i don't even bother to look at them on my own.

Grant aka Samuel: My last post was entered prior to your response being posted. As such, it goes a bit beyond my last post and is in rebuttal to your last post.

"The Hydras are entirely non-current limiting to amplifiers or any other equipment up to the 20amp limit of the Carling breaker-- period."

This means that the Hydra is capable of passing a total of appr 20 amps of current divided between all of the devices connected to it in all of the outlets, not 20 amps per outlet simultaneously. As you stated in the post above, this in itself is a current limit imposed by the Carling circuit breaker that you mention. Since you also state that the max continuous current is 20 amps on your website, this device is current limiting and not by what the AC circuit feeding it is capable of.

"Each duplex outlet on the Hydra has its own filter/protection network on a circuit board bolted to the outlet. This isolates each outlet from all others. We have measured results detailing the effects of a paper-shredders effect on an adjoining outlet first with no network engaged and then activated--the posted results speak for themselves--unless people think we made them up, of course. That seems to be opined a lot on net boards--"they're all liars and snake-oil peddlers"..."

I see no such measurements or test results posted or provided as a link anywhere on the Shunyata website. I looked both in the product description, the product specifications, the technical page, etc... As requested above, can you provide any type of support / technical data for the claims made both here and on your website?

"Ideally, amplifiers are best placed on their own dedicated line, not bunched up on a single line with all other electronics--though obviously not everyone can install multiple lines and must use only one. The reason I or another person within our company might recommend placing amps next to the power-input (if asked) is not technically to "give it more power", but just as a common-sense recommendation given proximity. I have spoken to some that prefer their amps in the digital section away from the power-inlet and vice-versa. There really are no "rules" involved, just subjective experience related to use and operation."

If the product involved the detailed product development that you mentioned in another thread, wouldn't it make sense to recommend specific product placement as to where each component should be plugged into the Hydra? After all, detailed analysis in a lab would have shown what configuration provided optimum results for the uneducated end user. While these figures would be based on the law of averages, a simple disclaimer would have left Shunyata off the hook if an alternative plug configuration worked better than what was described. Wouldn't sharing that data with customers and potential customers end up in both more sales and happier customers that have already purchased this product?

"Nobody I am aware of or have ever heard from has experienced ANY voltage fluctuations or power problems of any kind with using Hydra models in _any_ application..and there are four-five thousand of them in circulation throughout the world."

You claimed that much of the cost of these units was spent on their R&D. As such, you shouldn't have to rely on customer feedback to know what the unit is capable of or what its' limitations are. That should all be available in your lab results. That's why i've asked for specifics in terms of isolation from port to port and duplex to duplex at various frequencies. Sean
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