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is it possible to make digital audio sound like vintage vinyl

sam here with another question. is it possible to make digital audio sound like vintage vinyl ? i realize i'm gonna get ripped a new a-hole however this is not a joke question. honest answers please i can take the heat

as crazy as it sounds it seams perfectly logical to me. now here is what i did using my 2013 dell pc windows 7 32bit.

using foobar 2000 with the convolver dsp filter i made an impulse file consisting of a 1 second wave file extracted at 32 / 88 

from the intro to pink floyds us and them on 1st press vintage vinyl u.k harvest label. just the surface noise before the music 

starts and applied the impulse file to a digital album to see if the digital album now sounds like vintage vinyl.here's the results

not sure if i made the digital audio sound worse or really what i achieved ? feedback will help me decide if i should

abandoned this pipe dream and move on. source is digital download flac 16/44 same source for both before/after samples.

audio sample 1: http://pc.cd/GB3

audio sample 2 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/7eA

audio sample 3: http://pc.cd/7DP7

audio sample 4 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/bw2

audio sample 5: http://pc.cd/3etrtalK

audio sample 6 (impulse applied) http://pc.cd/lTf7
guitarsam
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geoffkait
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guitarsam OP
sam here and let me say that i hate the side effects of vintage vinyl (1970’s) however the sound is alive . i have not tried an expensive dac and that might be an answer?

the fact that vinyl can’t be brick wall compressed for the loudness wars has a lot to do with vinyl sounding alive?

>>>>I’m afraid the loudness wars has affected vinyl too. The overly aggressive compression occurs during mastering so no format or media is exempt. So when you examine the Unofficial Dynamic Range database you’ll find that vinyl oft suffers the same fate as CD, also SACD, BLU-RAY, hi res and even SHM-CD from Japan. Having said that the one media that has largely escaped the loudness wars is cassettes.
guitarsam OP
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thanks geoffkait for the info. they say 99% of new vinyl is cut from the cd master at 16/44 so it looks like new vinyl is fake vinyl? my question is why? there is no other reason for the loudness wars except it's done on purpose and world class producers do as there told? take the money and run
mikelavigne
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thanks geoffkait for the info. they say 99% of new vinyl is cut from the cd master at 16/44 so it looks like new vinyl is fake vinyl? my question is why? there is no other reason for the loudness wars except it’s done on purpose and world class producers do as there told? take the money and run

few recordings are recorded and mastered at 16/44 to begin with. minimum 24/44 or 24/48 and most are at least 24/88 or 24/96.

so where did you get the idea that 99% are cut from a CD master? maybe at the basic level of music production when vinyl is an afterthought to the album. i suppose it depends on the type of music you listen to. some of it might not matter......at.....all. but the percentage of CD masters for vinyl is much less than 99%. 

it’s trivial to send the higher rez file.

the loudness mastering choices are independent of bit depth and sampling rate.
guitarsam OP
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sam here and the fact is record companies no longer make a separate master for vinyl duplication claiming it cost too much money? almost all vintage vinyl re-issues are cut from the cd master with brick wall compression for the loudness wars making the new vinyl not any better than the digital version! geoffkait called it for the way it is. let’s face the facts. have you ever compared a vintage vinyl record to the remastered version? 
mikelavigne
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sam here and the fact is record companies no longer make a separate master for vinyl duplication claiming it cost too much money? almost all vintage vinyl re-issues are cut from the cd master with brick wall compression for the loudness wars making the new vinyl not any better than the digital version! geoffkait called it for the way it is. let’s face the facts. have you ever compared a vintage vinyl record to the remastered version?

i have 8000 records, and maybe 500 where i have an original pressing and a remaster. why would i own a CD sourced remaster? as none of those are that way. i’ve compared a remaster and original pressing thousands of times. in many of these cases i personally know the person who supervises the remaster. i know how it’s done.

zero cases of a CD source. period.

i’ve purchased 50-60 new vinyl records this year and 2 or 3 were CD sourced. tell us about your experience. your claim is wrong in my experience.

i agree that there are segments of music where the label or artist just want to be able to say they have a vinyl version, and another segment of those where the pressing house only does CD sourced vinyl. but generalizing that situation to all vinyl is just.......ignorant.

you start the thread by asking about how to make digital like vintage vinyl, and now claim expertise on sources for vinyl.
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