SET the best?


Is SET amplification where we should all end up? I keep reading posts where people tell of their journeys from plenty power to micro power, and how amazing SET amplification is 45 set 211 set 845 set otl, and usually, ....with the right speaker. I have yet to read of anyone who has gone the other direction from SET, to High watt beast class A amps or others.
If your speakers can be driven by minimal wattage, is this the most realistic, natural sound we can achieve? versus say, 86db sensitive speakers and a 1000w amp?
Is the end result solely based on speaker pairing? circuit? tubes?

I am in the process of changing my direction in my search for realistic sound, just because, and wondering if this really is the best direction to be going.
From what I have been reading I think it may be.

What do we get with SET? What do we give up?

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hanaleimike
@luisma31   Yes.

The loudness cues to which I was referring are the higher ordered harmonics- the 5th and above. The human ear uses these harmonics to sense sound pressure. But it also assigns a tonality to any distortion- the higher orders cause brightness and harshness even in tiny amounts, since the ear has to be keenly sensitive to them in order to gauge sound pressure over a 130dB range.

If you know these facts then that gives you a good idea of how to approach amplifier design. Since the ear is arguably more sensitive to the higher ordered harmonics than **anything** else, it follows that for electronics to sound natural that is the kind of distortion that should be minimized (BTW it is this type of distortion that characterizes most solid state designs). When this is done, you can run much higher power levels and yet the system will not sound loud as all those loudness cues aren't being generated by the stereo.


The result is to naturally turn the volume up to get a realistic sound pressure. IMO, this is at the heart of the shortcomings of SETs, since they don't make much power and these harmonics are audible at any power level over about 20% of full power (which is why so many SETs are described as 'far more dynamic than their low power would suggest- its simply distortion that the ear interprets as loudness, showing up on transients that have the most power). The result is that even at relatively low sound pressure levels they sound loud. IMO/IME it is the mark of a good system that it always sound relaxed and never sounds loud until it really is (+95dB). The only way to get around this limitation with SETs is to use really high efficiency loudspeakers, which from what I've seen over the years doesn't happen that often- so many people are not experiencing the best that SETs have to offer. 
Thanks Ralph, having your MA-1's OTL's I agree that listening to higher levels without distortion it is an exceptional experience, I figured you were talking about your OTL's
Hi @atmasphere ,

Yes it is true. There are a few SET friendly speakers on the market.

But the hard to drive tower speakers like Wilson and Dynaudio will always sound compressed, and too loud at 95dB+ volume even with 1K watt amplifier.

I think a  low sensitive speakers fashion is a huge delusion of Hi-End market .

Regards,
Alex.


My Dennis Had amp is an SEP (pentode) at from 12 to 17wpc depending on tubes used, which means with Gold Lion KT77s, my "tube du jour," I'm likely getting 10 to 12wpc. This drives my 99db Heresy IIIs to as loud as I need to hear 'em with plenty of headroom left. I cheat with a couple of REL subs, but man...a great sounding thing.
I think a low sensitive speakers fashion is a huge delusion of Hi-End market .
I totally agree!

This drives my 99db Heresy IIIs to as loud as I need to hear 'em with plenty of headroom left.
Its this phenomena of *sounding* loud that's what I'm talking about. My speakers are 1 dB less and my room is not particularly large; I find 30 watts to be a nice minimum power. This means the amp is loafing all the time. When an SET or SEP is making over 20% of full power, the distortion is causing it to sound 'loud'. A sound pressure level meter sorts things out pretty quickly. They are available as an app for smartphones.