Who says cables don't make a difference?


Funny, after all these years, people still say things like "you wasted all that money on cables". 
There are still those who believe cables don't make a difference.
I once did marketing for a cable line I consider to be about the best-Stealth Audio Cables. 
One CES, I walked the rooms with the designer/owner, Serguei Timachev. He carried a pair of his then new Indra interconnects. Going from room to room he asked the room runners to replace their source to preamp IC with the Indra. There was not one that was not completely flabbergasted and said that the Indras blew away what they were using. That was the skyrocketing of Indra and Stealth. The Indra became one of the best reviewed cables ever.
Serguei now makes the Sakra-an IC that blows away the Indra!
I don't understand why some still do not value cables as much as I.
mglik
Ack chew ally, electrons don’t really care since they aren’t moving. It’s the PHOTONS you need to interview. A photon checked into a Hotel, the clerk asked if he had any baggage. The photon replied, no, I’m traveling light. Note to self: It looks like I’m on a roll today and it’s not even time for breakfast.
Who would want a cable that attenuates portions of the audio spectrum that they are trying to conduct from one component to another? That means that if you hear a difference between two interconnects it’s because the two cables in question are attenuating different parts of the audio spectrum!
At a high level this is pretty true.  And the unsaid argument (well, someone else above did say it) against expensive cables is that they simply cost too much given their contribution (or in deference to the above, lack of impairment). In optimizing ANYTHING, sound included, the question must always be "Can i spend this money elsewhere and get more benefit". I would say for $6k cables the answer is always yes. Most often on substantially better speakers (and $6k can buy quite an upgrade, unless you have IRSs or WAMMs or .....


But the above quote  - and I'm being picky here -- is not quite technically correct.  Cables can do more than attenuate frequencies. They can time-smear them - mostly via the dialectic (insulation). Just like in regular capacitors the linearity of the insulation varies greatly. Teflon (PTFE) and expanded polyprop and polyeth are about the best. Weird capacitive-inductive effects might also cause some overshoot and/or ringing, although I have never seen it on a scope. But we're being theoretical here, so lets include more proven theories.


Is this effect significant?  Probably not very. Is it real and well understood? yes.  We can also get diode effects from terminations (connectors).

In the grand scheme I find that there are awful cables, mostly pretty darm good ones, especially the ones i make myself, and some exotic ones that are both excellent and terrible. I suspect some of the terrible ones are attractive tone controls in some systems, like to tame the silly rising high end of many cartridges currently popular (yikes, holy screeech batman!)

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It is easier mitch2, when most of the people who throw around terms like imaging and sound-stage, etc. don't understand the underlying mechanisms for how those things manifest.


To be fair one can hear without understanding how.  We as a species did it for millenia and avoided sabre-toothed tigers just fine.  well, sometimes not :-)

The one’s that’d say ... here kitty kitty- received the Darwin Award🏆 That is, for those who believe we evolved from monkeys. 🙉 Actually, a few specimens  here may support that theory 😂