Who says cables don't make a difference?


Funny, after all these years, people still say things like "you wasted all that money on cables". 
There are still those who believe cables don't make a difference.
I once did marketing for a cable line I consider to be about the best-Stealth Audio Cables. 
One CES, I walked the rooms with the designer/owner, Serguei Timachev. He carried a pair of his then new Indra interconnects. Going from room to room he asked the room runners to replace their source to preamp IC with the Indra. There was not one that was not completely flabbergasted and said that the Indras blew away what they were using. That was the skyrocketing of Indra and Stealth. The Indra became one of the best reviewed cables ever.
Serguei now makes the Sakra-an IC that blows away the Indra!
I don't understand why some still do not value cables as much as I.
mglik
One word Mahgister, religion.


And all the testimonies in this direction cannot be explained by an induced mass placebo effect taking place in several phases ....

It's being able to actually quantify these differences arrived at through characterization why people who understand the tech will accept audible differences in some cases and not others.  There is a reason companies like Kimber and Mogami list electrical specs.

They should be able to measure Home Depot zip cord and ANY cable from any other manufacturer and prove that the output from any of them is exactly the same as the output from all of them.


We also do things like hang cables a few inches from a speaker at high volume and measure the signal with a typical preamp/amp impedance to show that vibration typically has no impact. Maybe we measure the voltage on a cable just sitting there with a typical preamp/amp impedance to show that it is near 0 debunking crazy notions of "static" voltage that require burn in to fix.
Then again it may be due to nothing more than garden variety lack of listening skills.  

I've written many times before about how when I first went component shopping back around 1991 I could not hear any difference between CD players and transports. One time I brought my Magnavox CDB650 to Definitive and they let me compare side by side with a $5k Wadia. Sounded the same to me. Another time about a week later same store a guy drove up from Portland to audition two CD players and was right there and we listened to both and he said sorry but they sound the same to me! 

This went on for months, me struggling to figure out what it is people are hearing. Until one day I come home after having been to Definitive, put on a CD, and its Michael Ruff Poor Boy which is a superb Sheffield tube recording and it suddenly hits me THIS IS IT! Finally I make the connection! 

From then on, in seemingly no time at all, it was easier and easier to hear differences between all kinds of things. Not just components and wires and cones but recordings. 

Hand in hand with this improvement in listening skills was the ability to be able to say how the sounds are different. Looking back on it, the words actually came first. Reading Robert Harley has a whole section in his book. But its one thing to read about grain, how it can be coarse or fine, all gradations clear and pristine and then on to liquid and then on to syrupy, but its quite another to actually make the connection in your mind to realize what these things really do mean. 

So I have said before and will continue to say until contrary evidence comes along that the people who think there's no difference, well they are right. For them there is no difference. Until they learn to differentiate there never will be. Because its not a matter of psychology, or opinion. Its a question of skill. And skills can be learned. If you want to be a good listener, its a skill you can learn. If you want to. But you do have to make the effort.

millercarbon
Then again it may be due to nothing more than garden variety lack of listening skills.

>>>>>Not to mention the garden variety of pseudo scientists. Like garden variety of snakes. 🤗
Nothing like a guy who sells "Magic Pebbles" ... Which are literally pebbles, probably of the aquarium variety in a bag as an audio tweak, and another guy who thinks cables will behave the same in all systems which is of course impossible (unless there is no audible difference).  You two are like the negative of a call to authority. Call to ridiculousness?   Perhaps if all cables matter proponents had even 1 .. just one spokesperson who could talk in any manner other than handwaving and "just trust me" sentences, you would have a better half leg to stand on.


Miller I will put my listening skills up against yours any day. This is what I do .... Except I listen and measure. I even have other people listen ... Lots and lots of people over many years. I have even written papers on critical Subjective listening.  This tired argument about not hearing good enough is just that, tired, especially when coming from a group that as a whole has severely reduced hearing capacity.