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High Powered Holographic Amplifiers

I am looking for high powered amplifiers that are truly Holographic.. 

My speakers are power hungry, 

The Audio Research Ref 610T is easily the most holographic amplifier(s) that have ever been in this system. 

The solid holographic images moving around the room are nothing short of amazing. 

Music just seems to pour out of the speakers.

My "room" is completely untreated and has lots of noise provided by my sub zero fridge and freezer units. 
My equipment is pretty good, though.

Are there any solid state options that are as good?

My speakers are Magnepan 20.1
Preamp is Audio Research Ref 5
Source is a VPI (both Classic 3 and Aries I)
Cart is a Dynavector XV1-s
Phono Pre is a Manley Steelhead RC
Cables are whatever I bought on Ebay, Power cords (in this system) are generally just normal factory.

(I'm not looking for a white paper discussion on what sonic holography is, or to discuss ancient Carver products.)

Curious about the Ayre MX-R, the Pass XS-300 (but I have no experience whatsoever with either).

Are there any other amplifiers besides the Ref 610T that might be _truly_ worthy of the epithet "Holographic"?. 

(If you don't know the difference between soundstaging and holography, this is not the thread for you.)
theduker
petg60
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Hi,
you have a system with potential, that from your description is not breathing at the moment, so try first some better cables, both power and signal and see how it goes. Room treatment is the next stage. If you decide to change your power amp then i would agree with @gregm to search for one with a very extended frequency response.
drrsutliff
884 posts
 
A Brick and Mortar dealer I frequent was a Maggie and Ayre dealer.  He demoed the Maggie 20.7 with the Ayre MXR monos, but eventually used the Ayre VX5/20 amp to run them. Using Audience cable the system was holographic and slightly hypnotic.  I was considering the MXR, but based on those demonstrations purchased a VX5/20 though I do not use Maggie’s as my space is not appropriate for them.
fastfreight
898 posts
 
Audionet.  (and to me cables do matter).  
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arro222
142 posts
 
@ twoleftears
Let me have a go with your question. Imaging, in an audio sense, is to be a be able to pick out where a particular instrument or performer is on a given, illusionary sound stage. Usually with the understanding that you are acting as an observer with the "stage" in front of you much like you would experience at an actual venue.
Audio holography is a sense that this music is "surrounding you" and not coming from in front of you as if there are no speakers.
Sounds are still "imaging" but its as if you are in the middle of a band instead of as a spectator.
It’s an uncanny and erie effect and has to do with phase distortion and kind of neat and addicting.
Well, that’s my interpretation anyway form my experience.
Again in my experience, you have a better shot of achieving this with speakers at least 3 ft away from a rear wall and you are also not sitting with a wall at close proximity, directly behind you.
Equipment and placement can certainly all lend to this as well as phase shifted recordings. A lot of Madonna albums come to mind such as in reference to "shifted" recording.
Dire Straits with "Money for Nothing’ has a drum riff that appears to move all around you as well.
There are a bunch more but just giving you a sense of the idea.


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twoleftears
5,320 posts
 

@arro222 My post was intended more as a rebuke to the arrogance of the OP than as a serious inquiry.

At any rate, I don't want music all around me.  If I wanted that, I'd get a HT system or play in an orchestra, as I used to do.  I want it (mainly) in front of me, where it's supposed to be in a symphony hall.

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