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A challenge to the "measurement" camp

I’ve watched some of his video and I actually agree on some of what he said,
but he seems too confident on his insistence on measurement. For those
who expound on the merits of blind test and measurement, why not turn
the table upside down?

Why not do a blind test of measurement? That is I will supply all the measurement
you want, can you tell me which is a better product?

For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each
individual cable, can you tell me which is the best cable based on measurement
alone? I will supply all the measurement you want.
After all, that is what you’re after right? Objective result and not subjective
listening test.

Fast forward to 8:15 mark where he keeps ranting about listening test
without measurement.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katmUM-Xelw

By the way, is he getting paid by Belden?  Because he keeps talking about it
and how well it measures.  I've had some BlueJean cables and they can easily
bettered by some decent cables.  
andy2
glupson
7,842 posts
 
Maturity. That may be the word.

andy2,

It is acceptable to lose ground in some argument. The best way out of it is usually to admit it with a joke or two about how silly you have been and it will fade away quickly. Just insulting people makes you appear, ahem, clueless.

For the record, cables do not make much difference. Your hearing is not that good. I apologize for bringing you the news. If you were a dog, story could have been different. Well, better luck in next drawing.
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roberttdid
534 posts
 
This appears to be a good time for a lesson on statistical inference. I don’t know either Glupson or andy2 personally. Based on a brief post analysis, using statistical inference, it does appear that andy2 has more knowledge of audio. Based on those same posts, I could also make the inference that Glupson is more intelligent, has better self control, is likely considerably more successful, and obviously significantly classier. One of them probably gets angry when told he has to wear a mask inside a public building. I think we know which one.
glupson
7,842 posts
 
I admit I have no true knowledge of electronics and audio-related things. At least I am aware of it.
djones51
4,947 posts
 
I am no expert by a long shot but I can look at 2 different plots and see the difference. No specific cable was mentioned to compare so I just picked speaker cables since it’s easier to use something like REW to take measurements of in room speaker response. After all that’s what we hear speaker and roon interaction. If there is a significant difference it would be readily apparent.

That appears to not be happening so I’ll switch to USB cables. I want the THD+N and Jitter plots from any DAC you choose switching only the USB cable. If possible do a IMD test and Tone input/ sample rate . Use any two cables you want. You want an explanation of how I will use these before you show the measurements. The cable that shows the lowest  distortion on Tone input and THD+N or SINAD and Jitter is the better cable.
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