Why high-end cable manufacturers don't post measurements?


I'd like to get your take on why high-end manufacturers don't post measurements? would you like to see how a cable measure before ....does it matter to you?
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No, not only #0 awg.
Look at my thread:  How to select a good Speaker Cable  
and you will find out that a guy called Mr.  keppertup doubled his older # 0 awge to 2x 0 AWG and it sounds even better.
You stick a #0 awg cable as a solution for all, at a time it's not!
You ignore my say, you ignore the results and you are heading the ditch...

Dan Recklinghausen, HH Scott's Chief Engineer, famously said:  "If it measures good and sounds bad - it is bad.  If it measures bad and sounds good - you've measured the wrong thing."

I am not a cable naysayer - in fact, if I cared more I would resent that moniker because it presumes that the default is to accept claims of expensive cable amazingness, and that the burden of disproof is on others, whereas I would say the opposite is true.  I am a cable skeptic, however, who thinks that if there are improvements to be had from boutique cables, they are heavily subject to the law of diminishing returns.   That said, I am certainly open to trying new things so long as they don't cost me an arm and a leg to demo.  

If someone hears a difference, great.  And if they are happy with their choice, double great.  Not for me to judge, especially since I know well that there are people out there who hear much better than I do.  BUT, I have observed two phenomena that inform my skepticism of claims by both owners and manufacturers.   First, I rarely see people say that they did double blind testing of their cables; it tends to read more like - "I plugged it in and the difference was astonishing!"  Second, so many cable companies pour on the ridiculous marketing speak - all kinds of pseudo science and outlandish claims.  These phenomena obfuscate the core issues of why and whether:  is there a rationale behind the cable sounding better and did you really test to confirm that you are actually hearing what you think you're hearing?

To answer OPs question:  cable companies don't post measurements because they make a $h!t ton of money selling cables and measurements don't sell.  Cables are incredibly lucrative and facts don't enter into the sale as powerfully as perception.  Also, many cable companies do not post measurements because they don't have them, though there are exceptions such as Kimber.  See this post here by John Dunlavy.  https://verber.com/cables/


I think it is reasonable to ask for capacitance and inductance measurements. This is useful for determining compatibility with electronics, particularly for longer cables. 

I also find it useful to know the conductor material and primary insulation material (the insulation used on the primary conductors). While I wouldn't necessarily rule out a cable that used an unusual dielectric material, I'm more likely to try out a cable if I know it uses PFTE or FEP insulation since I have some experience in they way they sound. 

For speaker cable or power cords, it's also helpful to know the effective wire gauge, particularly for longer runs. 
lost, I’ve done blind tests and just normal listening. I’d don’t believe in spending because something is expensive, in fact I’d much prefer to find something that performs as well as much more expensive products, similar to the way tekton speakers do that for me. I don’t think you have to do blind tests as long as you’re honest witho
 yourself about what you’re hearing. Don’t believe claims, and I’m not sure most of us do, most listen. I do think there’s far too much assumption that people buy based on a name or price, or that they defend something that dosnt really hold up because of the money they spent. I do believe the ones who claim that do so because they wish to justify not spending themselves in some cases. I have found most consumers are quite vocal when something doesn’t  do what they expected, they don’t defend the product. I see the opposite, they tend to be very negative and vocal about it, write bad reviews etc. someone who is happy is much less likely to, because it did what they expected all along. So there are some incorrect assumptions being made, in part for some for the reasons I’ve mentioned. There are many studies avaible about consumer behavior. I own a retail store myself, dealing in a range of price points in my industry, but heavily skewed towards upper mid to high end as it evolved over the years starting at entry to mid level. I find even those buying entry level seem to expect a lot ( many times more than that level would ever be able to provide) and are just as vocal as those who buy at the high end. People tend to make up their own logic when people are positive about something that they don’t see the same way on this forum, that does not translate to real world experience outside the hobby. I agree with your post as far as how you view these things for the most part. Yes most cables companies profit levels are obscenely high in my opinion,  it whatever the market will bear I guess is the rule. They don’t post measurements or details of construction for two reasons, first, and many state this, they don’t want their competitors to imitate them. Next, as I’ve said many times, there are no measurements even for things we can all agree on. Stage depth and width. We seem to all agree that exists. Show me the measurement for that. Detail, resolution, dryness, speed, sweetness, etc etc. so where is the huge outcry to show to us these measurements. Why aren’t the same people who deny there are differences in cables because they cannot be measured, also not denying the above mentioned characteristics, and their very existence as being in our minds, and not real. It’s simple. Personal bias. We all have them, in one way or another. Some are more open to things then other, and some minds are completely closed to  anything outside their own views.