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Same watts at 8 and 4 ohms?

I'm in the market for an integrated amp and trying to sort through tech specs. My understanding of the tech aspects of hi-fi gear is limited. Looking for some clarity in regard to watts-per-channel specs.

It is my understanding that wpc at 4 ohms is typically 1.5x -2x the wpc at 8 ohms.

But I'm seeing a number of respectable mid-fi integrateds with the same wpc for both 8 and 4 ohms. The NAD 388 is one and I think this is true for several of the Cambridge Audio units at a similar price point ($1500-$2000).

The NAD features make a point of saying " 4-ohm stable for use with a wide range of speakers". 

Would appreciate any insight to what these specs mean and what 4 ohm stable really means to me. My speakers are 4 ohm speakers.

Thanks,

George
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georgehifi
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Better amps have very robust power supplies that can provide the extra current required to double the power.
As I said before it’s not just the power supply, but the output stage as well. Especially the use of BJT (bi-polar) output stages in complimentary NPN/PNP push pull configuration over using complimentary Mosfets as the P channel is Mosfets weak one the N Channel is fine.

My krell has a 5kva transformer and 260,000 uf of capacitance and 56 output devices but it even can’t technically double down on power with halved impedance.
But it comes close

Cheers George
invalid
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It does come close, but I need another one to vertically bi-amp my apogee duetta 2 speakers, they are very inefficient but sound great.
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cakyol
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invalid,

Of course you can get more power.  It is ludicrous to think otherwise.  An amp is like (bit of an exaggeration to get the point across) your mains amplifying a 60 Hz signal.  If you connect a 120 ohm load to mains, you will get 120 watts, if you connect a 60 ohm load, you will get 240 watts, if you connect a 30 ohm load, you will get 480 watts, etc, until you blow your fuse.

AS LONG AS YOUR MAINS DOES NOT COLLAPSE AND YOU DO NOT EXCEED YOUR CURRENT LIMIT, you WILL get more power.  It is virtually the same in amps.  It is like supplying a 60 hz continuous signal.  As long as the power supply can supply the needed current, it will keep on supplying more power.  The limitation with amps is the heatsink/output stage design (transistor current limits), the maximum internal impedance and its stability at different frequencies.  The ideal amp (again, an asymptotic exaggeration) will even handle a short cirtcuit across its speaker where the current will be limited by only the internal impedance of the output stage.  This obviously will blow the transistors but you get my point.

invalid
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No amp can do that it's virtually impossible.
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cakyol
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invalid, georgehifi,

This is the spec page from D’Agostino Relentless welding machine.

https://dandagostino.com/products/relentless-monoblock.php

Please show/indicate to me where the ’incorrect’ or ’misleading’ information is.
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