Anyone?
DL-103 + A23 SUT + Pro-Ject Tube Box DS = ?
I plan on trying my newly modded by Zu DL-103 here pretty soon. I have an Auditorium 23 SUT and Pro-Ject Tube Box DS is my phono stage (unmodified, stock tubes). I know, I am broke right now. What settings should I use on the phono stage?
Pioneer PLX-1000/DL-103 --> A23 SUT --> Pro-Ject Tube Box DS --> Cary SLP-05 preamp via Acoustic Zen Wow! II RCAs
Here is a link to it's manual with jumper settings, etc:
https://www.project-audio.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Manual_Tube-Box-DS.pdf
Thanks in advance, evevrybody!
Pioneer PLX-1000/DL-103 --> A23 SUT --> Pro-Ject Tube Box DS --> Cary SLP-05 preamp via Acoustic Zen Wow! II RCAs
Here is a link to it's manual with jumper settings, etc:
https://www.project-audio.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Manual_Tube-Box-DS.pdf
Thanks in advance, evevrybody!
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I will say it again: This is the worst tonearm for Denon DL-103 low compliance cartridge. I have no idea why people brainwashed so hard, but Denon is NOT good for modern turntables/tonearms, because it was designed in the era where HIGH MASS tonearms were normal (it was designed in the late 60s). Today nearly all tonearms are mid mass, but Denon compliance is extremely low even for mid mass tonearms. Do you what does it mean ? ** Here is the article. *** If you want to use your Denon in a proper way you need a super heavy tonearm, something like FR-64s, but definitely NOT a Pioneer tonearm. Your Pioneer is great for vintage MM/MI cartridges, they are superior to Denon 103 in everything and you don't need such expensive SUT at all (you can buy better cartridge instead). Why in 2020 you need a cartridge from 1969 with Conical tip ? Can you explain ? Who told you this is the right choice for Pioneer ? It's so easy to search for a proper tonearm for Denon 103 and SPU, they are all high mass tonearms by default. |
Hi! First of all, thank you for your magnificently forward response. I need a beer now, preferably two. This cart is loved and recommended by many, even stock version is Stereophile Class C recommended component (this month’s issue, just showed up yesterday), where it sits in the company of Dynavector DV 10X5 and Ortofon 2M Black, both of which are lovely carts and cost close to three times the price of DL-103. I have a modified DL-103 (by Zu Audio, MKII, mine is Grade 2), and it is a Stereophile Recommended Class B component. Feel free to glance: https://www.stereophile.com/content/recommended-components-2019-edition-turntables-tonearms-cartridg... Scroll down about 2/3 of the way. While you are there, look at Class C recommended turntables, and you will find that PLX-1000 was recommended, in the company of VPI Scout Jr, at twice the price, if we were to add $100 for Ortofon 2M Red to the cost of Pioneer, which comes stock without a cartridge. I am currently using Ortofon 2M Red with Pro-Ject Tube Box DS phono stage and it sounds great, but not even close to DL-103 I’ve auditioned a couple of years ago (read on...) *** Takes a break for a minute, opens second beer *** Zu Audio themselves recommend Denon DJ VL12 Prime as a turntable of choice, and I probably will upgrade with time, waiting for them to release some extra tweaks for it. That turntable stock is certainly in the same class as base Technics 1200 series as well as Pioneer PLX-1000, tonearm details are not included in specs, so I don’t know which turntable has heavier/lighter tonearm. What I do know is that cart/turntable combo sounded magnificent in Zu Audio’s room/booth at RMAF a couple of years ago. They offer a custom counterweight for their modified cartridge because stock one weighs 8.5 grams and modified one weighs 14 grams. https://www.zuaudio.com/turntable/groovetracer-counterweight-zudenon-custom Interestingly they refer in comments about that counterweight to Rega tonearms, and Stereophile’s Art Dudley [RIP] used Rega RB300 as one of the tonearms in his review; he loved Mk.II https://www.stereophile.com/content/listening-184-zu-dl-103-mkii-phono-cartridge as well as the original https://www.stereophile.com/phonocartridges/1207zu/index.html So, any thoughts on my original question - what settings should I use on the phono stage? Anyone else? Thanks! |
Most SUT's are expecting to see 47K ohm loading at the phono preamp so I would go with that. As far as capacitance I don't think it's near as important as a MM cart so set it at about 200pf and see how it sounds.That A23 is VERY nice, my buddy uses one for his DL-103 cart on his Garrard 401. Sounds very good into his Shindo phono preamp. I'm using a Denon AU-320 for my DL-103 and am happy with that as well but if the right deal came along on a A23........... BillWojo |
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