Preamp Rectifier Tube Confusion


I have a Primaluna Prologue 3 which uses 5AR4 rectifier tubes which id like to roll. I’m looking at ShuGuang WE274B tubes which list as replacements for 5AR4 / 5U4G / 274B. 
However, the Primaluna manual lists compatible tubes as: GZ34, CV1377, 5V4G, 5T4, 5Y3 and Upscale Audio also list the Philips 5R4GYS.

Any idea if the ShuGuang would work?
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"To my mind, the 5AR4 tube rectifiers were at least partly responsible for the preamp’s tonal integrity, fleshing out the lower octaves and, in particular, infusing upright bass and cello with a full complement of tonal heft."
That's a bit of a sketchy claim. Its far more likely that the audio circuit itself is responsible for this. A tube preamp can easily do exactly the same thing with solid state rectifiers (for example, by using 6SN7s in the line stage). Seriously, solid state rectifiers are now good enough that they easily keep up with tube rectifiers in terms of noise, but they don't have the voltage drop (which varies with current draw) that tube rectifiers do. Its for this latter reason that tube rectifiers are preferred in tube guitar amps, since that can impart that 'blues' sound which is really the sound of an amp that has a sagging power supply.


If you were to measure the voltage drop across the rectifier, you would find that the best sounding ones for hifi are also the ones that have the lowest voltage drop. There's nothing magical here- they respond to physics just like everything else in audio. And again- the power supply has to be working properly in that the filter caps are good and sufficient to properly bypass the supply and prevent noise from getting into the audio circuit. It that bit is true, then the only way a tube rectifier can affect the sound is by the voltage it puts out. So it should follow that if you use modern solid state rectifiers, you can make it even better, and in practice that turns out to be true as well.
Ralph... I think the world of you and have learned very much from you over the years.

I just posted what was written in the review.  However, I have sold, (as a dealer) and owned, (personally), quite a few preamps that have had tube rectified power supplies.  I have found without question, that I could change the sound by replacing the tube rectifier.  If this indeed due to a voltage increase or decrease, so be it, but it did and does change the sound.

  If this indeed due to a voltage increase or decrease, so be it, but it did and does change the sound.
I'm sure it does! But that is the only reason they make a difference- and if its all about getting the best sound, you can do better than that by going solid state (and making sure that the circuit and power transformer are happy with the increased current draw) as long as the rectifier/transformer combo doesn't make noise- if it does, there are way of shutting it up.


Every time you think you've surpassed the penultimate, it turns out not to be the case- there's *always* a next step.
@jl1ny

just don't let the eyes fool the ears

bling and good sound are separate departments, need separation of powers  :)