My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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WC never treats this thread like he owns it and is generally never disrespectful. Stop arguing for the sake of argument and let him do his thing
kren0006,

Thanks for your listening evaluations of the LRS, Rega, Spendor and Linn speakers.  But you said that compared to the other speakers, the LRS was garbage.  What do you mean by garbage?  I never said that the Alexia 2 or any other speaker WC has presented is garbage, just that these boxes have a canned quality compared to the more open, natural quality of the 20.7.  When I heard Wilsons at a well known dealer, I did think they were all garbage, but WC has built wonderful systems so that what he presents as a total system is certainly nothing like garbage.  I am on record as praising him for nice sound on his videos.  

I freely admit the more powerful bass and overall dynamics of box speakers, but I don't know if you hear the natural quality of planar boxless speakers.  I don't know how much exposure you have had to live unamplified music to appreciate what I am saying.  Most of your listening is to artificial processed music, so if that is your reference, I can understand why you prefer the sound of all those box speakers you mentioned, which give you that type of sound which is artificial box resonances superimposed on top of the intrinsic sound of the drivers themselves.  So I believe that the best hope for the lover of dynamics with a decent degree of clarity is those open baffle (OB) dynamic driver designs.  No, I haven't heard any of them, but I respect the word of tweak1 who has them and has owned the Maggie 3.6R and Acoustat models which are OB planar and electrostatic OB designs, respectively.

In addition, I know you have limitations on the amount of money you are able or willing to spend on a system upgrade.  It is certainly possible that a Wilson or Magico speaker costing over $100K would please me, but I am lucky that my preferred designs are much cheaper.  Electrostatic technology is 100 years old, and most of them are affordable.  Planar ribbons are affordable, like the 20.7.  I am waiting to hear the unique latest GTA planar ribbon.  Combined with their custom 2-6 subs, they promise to be a system that does everything the best, for $30-50K or so.  I will report on this.  OB dynamic driver designs are also modestly priced, and I can see you going for them and having everything you want.  The only "deficiency" of OB speakers is that the bass is not the stomach hitting assault that rock lovers like.  Actually, I regard this as not a deficiency but an advantage since realistic natural bass is tight without that pressurized assault.


Wow, now I’m wondering the need to be on this thread if  the mods are going to stifle discussion. I had a post removed that attacked no one. I did ask greyhound what he thought would happen to this thread if jay were no longer part of it. I sure didn’t mean nor perceive that as an attack on him. Just trying to point out that without jay, the reason for this thread doesn’t exist. The rest of us are expendable, people come and go over time, but that wouldn’t prevent the thread from continuing on its path. Fr9m that 
tecno your post above has many discrepancies from reality of things. Jay dosnt go for products because of an over abundance of bass. I don’t think anyone here feels the Maggie’s have that. When he had the DAWs he said he didn’t see what anyone needed more bass than those had. Though a number of people here have expressed that they do like the additional bass. Crazy wattage? I don’t think so. Maybe to some one who is only into SETs. There’s some much much more powerful amps avaible. Again jay has said that power alone is not what’s important. The reserve capacitance some of these amps have do make a difference he had said. If you’re looking for a thread on moderately priced equipment, this isn’t it. No one is under any obligation to provide that. So not sure why you think he should. There are tons of YouTube channels on that type of equipment, and much less on the higher end like jay does. I think most of us clearly understand what this is about. And that’s why we are here. It’s not an issue if you’re into different equipment, but it’s no reason to knock him for concentrating on what he wants to do. He’s not testing it right? Again, I think most of us understand what he is doing, and no, it’s not the same thing the guys at stereophile, the absolute sound, Steve Gutenberg, etc etc are doing. And by the way, they arnt doing what you’re describing either. He’s doing his own thing. Either you get it or if you don’t, then it’s just not for you. As has been expressed many times, jays way isn’t for everyone. It’s seems you obviously do not like any, or very little of what he does. I don’t participate in threads, or watch channels that can’t hold my interest, but that’s just me. I guess my time is valuable enough to me that I’d rather spend it on things I find to be fun. 
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What I meant was that they were vastly inferior in producing music versus the other speakers, in my opinion

Even at $650, I would not buy them. I have $600 Kef q150 as backups in my third system and think they sound much better, inasmuch as I’m able to compare them having owned or seriously demo’d both, albeit in different systems, but even in that store system under same conditions I judged LRS decidedly 4th of 4, as mentioned. Ymmv