High Performance Audio - The End?


Steve Guttenberg recently posted on his audiophiliac channel what might be an iconoclastic video.

Steve attempts to crystallise the somewhat nebulous feeling that climbing the ladder to the high-end might be a counter productive endeavour. 

This will be seen in many high- end quarters as heretical talk, possibly even blasphemous.
Steve might even risk bring excommunicated. However, there can be no denying that the vast quantity of popular music that we listen to is not particularly well recorded.

Steve's point, and it's one I've seen mentioned many times previously at shows and demos, is that better more revealing systems will often only serve to make most recordings sound worse. 

There is no doubt that this does happen, but the exact point will depend upon the listeners preference. Let's say for example that it might happen a lot earlier for fans of punk, rap, techno and pop.

Does this call into question almost everything we are trying to ultimately attain?

Could this be audio's equivalent of Martin Luther's 1517 posting of The Ninety-Five theses at Wittenberg?

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Can your Audio System be too Transparent?

Steve Guttenberg 19.08.20

https://youtu.be/6-V5Z6vHEbA

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If I was forced to listen to contemporary music for last 5 years which is played on the most popular stations then investing into HiFi which is revealing would probably be waste of money.  You can't force sunshine on a cloudy gloomy day.  However my music tastes are wider and go way back in history which consists a richer concoction of music then the above given example so I would prefer a more revealing system which for instance, recognizes the tone of the piano (which changes in use and surroundings) and can tell the difference and give correct tonality between wound steel strings and nylon treble strings from two guitars playing on the same track.
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If a system is high resolution, then it is low distortion. This is NOT true.

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Yes in GENERAL is fact it is true, You are trying to make up your opinions as facts.
High Res = Deep soundstage/ frequences NOT ROLLED OFF/life like vocals/rich bass, clean/clear/NOT WARM,, REPEAT NOT WARM. Warm = distortion and or flatening of freqencies,,which I HATE.
My system is high res,,been spending $$$$$$$ on upgrades and its paid off, big time.


I can not post a latest YT vid, as i just had hernia and 2 other surgies,
When I geta chance I will post a vid with high res/LOW DISTORTION musical imagery.
I have a few more upgrades in the works.
Paul
New Orleans

skip 1st minute of my opening to hear music start

High Res/Low Distort comming your way



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQqC8z1v1E0


In my experience with both lower end and upper end systems, distinction between steel and nylon strings is not necessarily an exacting measure of a system's absolute capacity. Even lower end HiFi systems can distinguish the difference between steel and nylon strings. Back when I built $5K rigs I could always hear (but not nearly as clearly as with upper end rigs) the difference between them. It takes no great feat to do so. Similar with vibes versus Xylophone; there is a gross enough distinction that they can be identified with lower end systems. This is not a good measure of the rig being extreme in terms of
resolution, imo.

The proper question is to what degree can a system do so? That takes head to head comparison, and all the hype and promotion here does not answer it. My Kirksaeter Silverline 220 Speakers, which I used (sold a while back) in a second system, with it's twin 7.5" woofers and 7.5" midrange, would have likely made a very nice comparison to the Elac Adante, and may have outperformed the Adante in some respects. But, regardless of the designer(s) and manufacturing, only a comparison head to head would tell.   :)
@mikewerner,

"If a system is high resolution, then it is low distortion. This is NOT true.

This helps explain much of the seemingly contradictory statements made in this thread."


I think we could say that good system building can be a tricky business.

Describing good system building seems to be even trickier. Even professional journalists often wind up sounding confused.

It has to be a question of balance because if you imagine a system combining the best ribbon tweeters with mediocre bass drivers joined by a poorly configured crossover it might well offer amazing resolution, but only at the odd particular frequency.

The rest of its frequency range might well be noticeably distorted.

There’s also the question of room effects which might be significant for some users.

To keep the illusion of listening to to a facsimile of real musicians there must be as little as possible that draws attention away from the illusion.

Assuming of course that the recording is a decent one in the first place.

Even so, that doesn’t explain why so many high priced (high resolution?) systems often sound so poorly integrated.

Is that the fault of the equipment, the room, or even the recording itself?

I still want to believe the explanation given by @atmasphere earlier that a genuine high resolution product must not only be able to resolve more detail, it must do it without adding anything superfluous at the sane time.

So assembling a good system might just be a question of finding and combining those rare products.

I think it’s pretty obvious that most loudspeakers are not only guilty of the sin of ommision but also of commission.

Perhaps here lies the problem?


@douglas_schroeder,

"But, regardless of the designer(s) and manufacturing, only a comparison head to head would tell. :)"


I don’t think anyone would disagree with that.

I once compared 2 different integrated amplifiers together and was surprised (and given the differences in price not a little disappointed) by what I heard.

Once adjusted for volume they were virtually industinguishable. And that wasn’t even done by the prescribed instant switching method by relay.

With all of the various loudspeakers I have heard no two have sounded alike.

The Tannoy Revolution 3s might share a similar signature to the Tannoy Berkeley’s, but the difference in scale and ease of sound is still blatant.