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CD player output via DAC chips vs tube tech

Just got my Shanling CD3000, The Balanced DAC dual channel chips vs the 
6922 tube unbalanced out. 
and the winner is
TUBE
By so much
This Shanling has world class Dac chips in each channel in the balanced. 
Music sound like ,,(fill in the blank)
vs the pair of 6922 outs
Tubes bruoght all the  magic in, almost if not close to my Cayin CD17  Mark 1,/Mundorf caps, + Tele PCC88 player, 
so like yeah, DAC vs tubes
HA!. Get real, Tube tech on digital is real life like music.
DAC's mush the music into some weird pattern, flat, no zing, no flair, nothing, no soundstage, just , a  blop of ( fill in the blank)\
DAC's at $$$$$
lets stay real folks, watch the snakey-oil 


mozartfan
mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
The opamps are in BOTH channels.AFAIK
also agree the BB 1794 is world famous as best DAC chip ,, or so says Underwoods web site,
But trust me the balanced DAC BB chip sounds like crap next to the unbalanced RCA outs, 
Massive sonic dif.
I havea  Cayin cd17 Mark1, with both unbalanced /balanced out,, in my 16 yrs usage,, i never once considerned employing balanaced circuit... i made a few upgardes in front cap section and on last caps of unblanaced,, The sound is 1st class.
Same here with this S3. 
The unbalanced which has the ops in the unbalanced circuit (not sure what Underwood is thinikng saying the ops are for the balanced/DAC circuit,,cause he is wrong). 
The unbal sounds far far superior
= Tube outs on a cd player woops any DAC, 
Hands Down..

djones51
4,947 posts
 
The Burr Brown 1794 is the DAC chip on both the balanced and unbalanced the only difference is the output stages. One uses ompamps the other tubes. 
facten
2,878 posts
 
Glad you get it , not sure what he keeps missing
facten
2,878 posts
 
Also, no one is doubting that you like the sound of the unbalanced output with the tubes  better than the balanced with the opamps, but the unbalanced isn't devoid of the DAC which you keep trying to contend.


mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
and thats also true, the DCA chips has something to say in the unbal outs, Look the Cayin 17 has the same design as the S3. So I read what Underwood mentions, about ops are for balanced,,so i took out all opamps,, and the circuit coughed up badly,,so if the ops in the cayin voice through the tube unbal circuit= same as S3
I really need to know before hand, as i plan to order Sparksolab Descrete ops,, I believe Underwwod mentions some (all?) are doubles, Andrew fetches $70 each for the doubles..
Its a hefty price for 12 ops,, that is if the ops voice little value in the tube unbal circuit.
I plan to take it to  Richard Gray and see if he can tell me worth swapping out stock ops for Sparloslab.

Lets say it take all duals
12X$70
See what I mean, thats 3/4 the cost of what i acutally paid for the C3.
The Sparkoslab decrete made a very nice pop in the Cayin 17(has 6 ops),,which had BBopa627's in it,, these were top dawgs back in the day.
They are now obsolete with Sparksolab Descrete Ops on the market. 
Sparksolab Descrete murdered off Burr Brown ops. 

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