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CD player output via DAC chips vs tube tech

Just got my Shanling CD3000, The Balanced DAC dual channel chips vs the 
6922 tube unbalanced out. 
and the winner is
TUBE
By so much
This Shanling has world class Dac chips in each channel in the balanced. 
Music sound like ,,(fill in the blank)
vs the pair of 6922 outs
Tubes bruoght all the  magic in, almost if not close to my Cayin CD17  Mark 1,/Mundorf caps, + Tele PCC88 player, 
so like yeah, DAC vs tubes
HA!. Get real, Tube tech on digital is real life like music.
DAC's mush the music into some weird pattern, flat, no zing, no flair, nothing, no soundstage, just , a  blop of ( fill in the blank)\
DAC's at $$$$$
lets stay real folks, watch the snakey-oil 


mozartfan
facten
2,961 posts
 
Also, no one is doubting that you like the sound of the unbalanced output with the tubes  better than the balanced with the opamps, but the unbalanced isn't devoid of the DAC which you keep trying to contend.


mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
and thats also true, the DCA chips has something to say in the unbal outs, Look the Cayin 17 has the same design as the S3. So I read what Underwood mentions, about ops are for balanced,,so i took out all opamps,, and the circuit coughed up badly,,so if the ops in the cayin voice through the tube unbal circuit= same as S3
I really need to know before hand, as i plan to order Sparksolab Descrete ops,, I believe Underwwod mentions some (all?) are doubles, Andrew fetches $70 each for the doubles..
Its a hefty price for 12 ops,, that is if the ops voice little value in the tube unbal circuit.
I plan to take it to  Richard Gray and see if he can tell me worth swapping out stock ops for Sparloslab.

Lets say it take all duals
12X$70
See what I mean, thats 3/4 the cost of what i acutally paid for the C3.
The Sparkoslab decrete made a very nice pop in the Cayin 17(has 6 ops),,which had BBopa627's in it,, these were top dawgs back in the day.
They are now obsolete with Sparksolab Descrete Ops on the market. 
Sparksolab Descrete murdered off Burr Brown ops. 

facten
2,961 posts
 
" so like yeah, DAC vs tubes "
" = Tube outs on a cd player woops any DAC "
Maybe you're not familiar with them but there are tube based standalone DACs . I'm listening to my 2nd system right now with a Modwright Elyse R2R tubed based (6922) DAC. There's any of a number of others - MHDT DACs, Aqua Acoustics LaScala, Lamipzator DACs, Border Patrol, to name a few brands.

Also , there are many solid state DACs that sound as good as if not better than tube DACs . I have a Mojo Audio DAC in my main system doesn't take a back seat to my tube DAC.
mozartfan OP
2,143 posts
 
Maybe you're not familiar with them but there are tube based standalone DACs . I'm listening to my 2nd system right now with a Modwright Elyse R2R tubed based (6922) DAC. There's any of a number of others - MHDT DACs, Aqua Acoustics LaScala, Lamipzator DACs, Border Patrol, to name a few brands.

Also , there are many solid state DACs that sound as good as if not better than tube DACs . I have a Mojo Audio DAC in my main system doesn't take a back seat to my tube DAC.

^^^^^ 
OK you got me, 
Yes I was completely unaware of any of the tube dacs you mention. 
Thanks for your kind imput,,I'll take a  look at the units you mentioned.
But as for SS DACs,, I'm a  tube guy, just neurotic about having a  tube in every component.

facten
2,961 posts
 
I get it , I have 3 tube integrated amps, a tube preamp and a tube DAC. My point about the solid state DACs was simply to not judge the SQ that you can get from one because of your disappointment with the SS output stage in your Shanling
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