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Jazz is not Blues and Blues is not Jazz.......

I have been a music fan all my life and listen to classic Jazz and female vocals mostly.  I did not see this throughout most of my life, but now some internet sites and more seem to lump Jazz and Blues into the same thought. 
B.B. King is great, but he is not Jazz.  Paul Desmond is great, but he is not Blues.   

Perhaps next Buck Owens will be considered Blues, or Lawrence Welk or let's have Buddy Holly as a Jazz artist? 

Trite, trivial and ill informed, it is all the rage in politics, why not music?




whatjd
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bdp24
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Good example, @orpheus10. Ray is imo the most important and influential male singer of 20th Century Pop music (along with Hank Williams). Does that sound too "grand"? ;-)

And I consider Big Joe Turner perhaps the first Rock 'n' Roll singer. He too straddled the line separating Blues and Jazz, coming from the Kansas City Jazz scene, but recording the original version of "Shake, Rattle, & Roll" (covered by Bill Haley for the white market). I came to love Joe when I discovered the whole Jump Blues scene of the late-40's/early-50's. Great, great stuff.

edcyn
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Yeah, Orpheus, I was trying to be as straightforward as I could when describing the technical differences between the two genres.  That, though, doesn't mean I prefer one genre over the other.  Particularly, when it comes to the guitar, blues has it all over jazz in my book. To my ears, most jazz guitar playing comes off as fussy, smug and under powered.  More interested in technique than passion or emotional expression.  As a matter of fact, the only jazz guitar player I ever truly loved or aspired to play like was Django (and I do relentlessly play Django-style guitar and Stephane Grappelli-style fiddle).  Good blues & rock guitar playing, by contrast, truly plumbs the emotional depths.  Happy, sad, angry, ironic, jubilant, tender, strutting...guitarists put it all on the table.
ebm
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Wow nothing to say again.
orpheus10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n3VJQIKduU
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daveyf
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Blues and jazz are simply two different ways to express feelings...in music. Blues can have some Jazzy aspects, just like Jazz can have some Bluesy aspects..Neither have to be exclusive to one another, so long as the vibe is there...if this makes sense.
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