If only the norm was education. Sounds good. Let's take the DAC in question MSB, how is it better than other DACs regardless of price? Is there technology used no other manufacturer uses? If so, how does it perform what does it do? Is there a link showing measurements so one can at least begin to get an impartial idea on its performance? Has it been subjected to controlled listening tests? Anything objective where noone has any skin in the game? Pontificating subjective opinions back and forth on the sonic ability is hardly education. I would be more than happy to get an education about this DAC. I'm not interested in how it sounds in your room we don't learn anything about the component but your impression of it. I think you're wrong in your assessment, audiogon is loosing contributors because they aren't interested in education..