Analogue only preamp ideas? - no need for internal DAC!


So making progress in my quest for perfection.

have a great dac, Chord Tt2
great amp Mcintosh great speakers, B&W 804 D3And a Roon Nucleus.

but I have a subpar avr,

An analogue only preamp seems ideal and so many have a standalone dac, so analogue preamp seems a good idea.

Mcintosh has some units that seem quite nice, eg C70 tube.  Seems tube is a great way to go but tubeless has pros too.

Need some ideas. Thanks




emergingsoul
The McIntosh C70 is awesome but doesn’t offer home theater pass through.  Same issue with the C22.  
If you want HT Passthrough with a tube stage, check out the AVM PA 5.2.  It is in the same price range as the C22 at $5495.  They offer a phono card that you can add for $600 if you wanted a phono stage added to it.  This can be done at a later date.  German made, AVM offer superb build quality and incredible sound.  
Rogue is also a fine choice and I know they offer pass through.  The RP7 or RP9 would do a wonderful job in your system.  The RP7 is $5K, I forget the price on the RP9.  
I am an AVM dealer.  I have no relationship with Rogue, just am a fan of the brand. 

I think tubes are better than a preamp with a dac.

dont understand why someone who has a great standalone dac would buy a preamp with a dac.  Spend more dollars toward a preamp without a dac and it seems tube device is just better.

concerned about tube maintenance and long warm up period, need to learn more

thanks. 
Tubes in a preamp take 20-30 minutes or so to warmup.  This is irrelevant for pass through.  You will find that until the tubes are warm, sound will be a little flat.  
AVM tubes should never need replacement and were explicitly designed for AVM.  There are no alternatives.  Expectation is a minimum 10K hours

Rogue or other brands use standard tubes that are rollable.  You should expect between 4K -10K hours out of standard tubes.  
You have to be a little cautious in pairing tube preamps with SS amps.  The AVM is adjustable and is designed to pair with SS or Class D gear.  The Rogues are well suited for pairing with SS.

i have a customer who is considering trading in an ARC SP20 which is a great preamp that will work with SS gear And would work well for you.  The SE 4 input is the home theater bypass.  I could help work out a sale between the two of you or buy and resell the device.  

you don’t need a preamp if your dac has a good sounding volume control. I had a very nice newer McIntosh preamp that I sold because I hook up my dac straight to the amp and I have no need for analog sources like a reel 2 reel or tt setup. Some dacs sound better going thru a preamp so you might want to audition a couple of preamps and compare that sound against your dac connected directly to the amp
Why not buy a phono amp and run it through a volume control direct into the power amp(s)?  Less components and less wire.
If you want to listen to vinyl only a pre-amp is not contributing.  Indeed it is just adding its own signature and a little more noise.
The money you save on pre-amp and wire can go on a better front end, or whatever.