Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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Thieliste - I don't have 3.7s, but can speak in general to your listening angle question. I believe the biggest factor is the room. Jim designed all the floor-stranders to be fired straight ahead if the room can support that. Their cross points are unusually low to better balance the in-room power response with the on-axis direct response. Add the fact that drivers usually have some hot-spot beaming directly on axis - their smoothest response is around 15° off axis.

That said, nearly everyone uses them with the focal point somewhere behind your head, perhaps 5 to 10° off axis. Notable exceptions include the Thiel listening room and Tom Jung's mastering room with CS5s. Thiel speakers with their long, slow roll-offs exhibit less than perfect FR graphs, which are decidedly smoother and flatter at 15 to 20° off axis. I believe the discrepancy is that most rooms have side walls too close and too reflective to properly support Thiel's wide polar pattern. Those reflections are more onerous than the FR hot-spots on axis.

I suggest that you might try bringing the speakers closer together, perhaps 7' or even 6' C to C, and fire straight or nearly straight ahead. A 10' from baseline listening distance puts your listening angle at the 15 to 20° sweet spot. If the sound is less harsh when toed in, try instead putting some absorptive or diffractive material on the mirror-spot on the side wall. At best you can get greater image width, solid center fill, and smoother frequency response with no down-sides.

I realize I'm going against common wisdom that the wider the stance the better. In a large room like Thiel or DMP, you can get both. 9-10' spread and straight ahead with 12' listening distance approaches ideal in my experience. But smaller rooms reduce possibilities. In my opinion, most people toe in when the might be better served by narrowing the stance.
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@tomthiel I also have a Sony SCD-1. I had it modified by this guy,
https://sublimelistening.com/

His work is amazing and I think he could be a great person to contact for you to see about repairing your SCD-1. The Vacuum State Mods he also does take this unit to an amazing level. I still use my player and it is great.

I am planning on using my player until it dies. I was considering buying some spare parts but then you do not know who will be round to fix it. The main issue with this player is usually the sled motor. You may have a backup of that part. I suggest you give Warren G a call and see if you can get your machine up and running. It is really worth it even after all these years, especially with the mods.

The mods are described in this review.
https://www.dagogo.com/vacuum-state-electronics-sacd-modification-and-sony-scd-777es-cd-player-revie...


I have the original packaging still but the foam is no longer functional so packing it for shipping will be a chore. I imagine this would be the same for all of us with the original packaging.
Thank you thoft for your taker on the 10f,   
jafant thanks for the welcome.

tomthiel Thank you for your input.  
FWIW   I have pulled the drivers and they are  labled "scan-sperak 13M Thiel  
code: 8521" .  

When I sent one back to Thiel years back they 

Those are what most everyone says are the original spec mids.   The surrounds sure look like foam to me - and gave out with tears like old foam.  Not black rubber but gray foam.

I examined the rear after pulling drivers and it also looked like foam glued to the paper cone.
bonedog - you have the right driver. I'm working from memory of 35 years ago and I have 2 originals here. Light gray surround matches paper cone color. 13M Thiel-8521.