How would you characterize the VAC tube amps?


I have been mostly using Pass Labs amps, which, as a SS, has a tube like sound. Now I am thinking that if I like the tubes sound of Pass, why not try tube amps, particularly VAC. I have Soundlabs electrostatic speakers, which are very fast, so I am looking for a tube amp >80W with some even harmonic sound. I have heard good things about VACs and I was wondering what type of sound VAC amps have. I am particularly interested in used VAC amps which may be more reasonably priced (assuming they are reliable). I would appreciate hearing from VAC users.
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i have known kevin hayes since the late 1980’s - was an early owner of his 4-chassis pa90c el34/kt77 amps which put him on the map with TAS and Stereophile rave reviews back then when the accolades meant something substantial

i do agree that his amps over the years did not perform the same (each design had their pros and cons, specifically tied to the power tubes employed) but like all great designers they have a target sound character in mind

in kevin’s case i would say he tries to voice his amps to have an expansive image, a good deal of high end energy (for tube amps) to support the imaging/air, a silky slightly romantic midrange, and tuneful/middling to good (not great or very deep) bass.... i think his phi models tried to compensate with stronger bass from his successful earlier lines using kt88’s, but he lost some transparency and some midrange magic... i think his 300b based renaissance series are still his best sounding (most midrange magic, air, and ever slightly rolled treble)... but he has gone WAY up market in recent years ... i have not heard his more recent megabuck stuff which i am sure ’has it all’


I’ve heard a lot of tube amps not the VAC.. I’ve heard Pass: he’s  very detailfull, musical..but for me the best tube-amps are: Ear Yoshino 509 (2x100w. Monoblocks) ,and the Wavac 805 m ( 2x56w). I thanks all of you for writing something about VAC, because he’s on my list !
I used to own the entry level phi160IQ. Compared to a 150 watt SS, its bass was a virtue. Very alive, good bandwidth, a little forward and modern sounding as opposed to a romantic. Actually I believe it was more forward than my ML 532H. It was the wrong choice for my speakers, but I do miss the smooth, charming midrange. 
Anyone with experience with VAC phi 200 or 200iq?

Yes in monoblock mode, with Kharma speakers. Very holographic representation but not romantic. Very well made almost to OCD standards. 
I have the VAC pre and in a sort of conundrum to go with VAC 200IQ myself. 
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