Anyone listen to Zu Audio's Definition Mk3?


Comparisons with the 1.5s and the others that came before? Getting the itch; again......
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I've replaced a $6000 audiophile power conditioner with a $600 standard industrial balanced power transformer. Night and day difference.
Currently settling on Cosmic Carbon as choice of finish for Def4's. Hope to make a decision to buy in the next week or so.
Everyone's thoughts on this choice?
Germanboxer, do you think reinserting a tube pre-amp would ameliorate some of what you are missing, particularly lower midrange density? I know you have already done that experiment, but...

I researched the Halo along with Prism Orpheus as possible DAC/pre-amps to front an Emerald Physics system. The word on the street at that time was that the Halo was more lean and mean but "true to source." The Orpheus was a little fatter and more euphonic. I never heard either, but that was what I was told by folks who had done the shootouts (whatever that is worth). I also dialogued with Barry Diament (well known recording engineer) and he used the ULN-8 in his studio and loved it and felt it was very true to source. No embellishment. That aside, I know many feel that the Metric Halo and Berkeley dacs are too "digital" sounding and converted to tubed products like the Lampizator. Gary felt that way even with the Atmas and later Tenor OTLs in place.

Then there is power (and Spiritofmusic, it rules indeed!). IMHO, that has more impact than people realize especially in terms of 3D presentation and even making things more "analog." I know the ULN-8 has a switching power supply, so I wonder about its effect on the sound and/or its potential imperviousness to power cords, conditioners, etc. Barry Diament told me that he experimented with tricked out linear supplies on the Halo and it did not make a hill-of-beans difference. So, I don't know what to say on that one. I "think" or "know" that dropping the noise floor and dealing with ambient inerference (RFI, etc) is important. I played with isolation transformers briefly (Topaz) with my EP system, and they had an undeniable effect. More clarity, dynamics, etc. I think they are a grand idea if you live in a crappy hood with lots of external garbage like industry, etc. Some people (who made use of transformers in the 80s) felt that they have a "sound" (which I think I heard) and can limit dynamics. I do not know or pretend to understand the technical particulars behind that. Another area of interest for me is grounding schemes. I have audio buddies who own the Tripoint Troy grounding system and cannot live without it. I also know several people who have made use of ionic grounding units in their homes, and they are purported to drop the noise floor significantly through grounding of your subpanel, outlets, and even the chassis of your equipment. One friend told me that an the sound of an average tuner improved dramatically! I will be trying this myself in my listening room that is being built as we speak. Then there is Dale's magic box, but more on that later in a different forum.

Don't forget your computer. While being a great source from a utilitarian point of view, it is a rats nest of noise and interference. There is a lot you can do, including linear supplies, shielding, hacking the programs that operate in the background, etc. MachI is one outfit that does mods. Here is a good discussion of some of the issues at hand: http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=45

Finally, I do hope you find bliss in the 4s and the right amp. That would make things a lot simpler and this meditation null and void.
Spiritofmusic,

OT, but what $600 balanced power unit did you purchase? And did you plug your amps into this or keep them straight to the wall?
So I have had a week of experience with the latest chassis Sophia 845 monoblocks. They are beautiful to look at and seem well built at 50+lbs each.

Impressed thus far. Big, big sound and probably the most dynamic tube amp I've had in my system (please scroll up to find a long list of them). Have not tube-rolled as of yet, but that will be coming once broken in. Historically, I have not liked the B tube that so many recommend (sounds closed-in to me). The amps are lively and extended- and not the warmest out there. Compared to the Audions, I'd say the Audions have probably a bit more tone, but less drive/dynamics. Noise on the amps is very low for SET and I feel will be even better once burned-in/optimized.

The amps are the only ones I've heard that do strings as well as Shindo--which says something. SET spooky midrange of course is there. Only negative thus far is a bit of midrange glare, which I believe is Chinese tube related. Have a pair of RCA NOS 6ns7s that I will drop in soon.

Bass is quite good, but not Mac 601 SS depth. This is to be expected.

Paid $500.00 for my BPT LPS. I bet you made your unit for $175.00. Running a MM for a MS is OK but one can do much better.