decathlon1991I have
the McIntosh MC2301 Monoblock amplifiers. I seriously doubt
that Accuphase will top that in sound quality. If you think so, please
provide proof. Don't be silly. First, no one here owes you proof of anything, just as I'm not going to ask you to prove your claim. Second, "sound quality" in this context is mostly subjective. There's no need to provide proof or justification for any preference.
As far as Moon gear is concerned ... Reliability has
always been problematic. That hasn't been my experience at all. Please tell us about your experience.
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cleeds3,491 posts12-11-2020 11:21amdecathlon1991I have the McIntosh MC2301 Monoblock amplifiers. I seriously doubt that Accuphase will top that in sound quality. If you think so, please provide proof. Don't be silly. First, no one here owes you proof of anything, just as I'm not going to ask you to prove your claim. Second, "sound quality" in this context is mostly subjective. There's no need to provide proof or justification for any preference.
As far as Moon gear is concerned ... Reliability has always been problematic. That hasn't been my experience at all. Please tell us about your experience.It’s just as silly to assume that Accuphase sounds better than McIntosh. Secondly don’t ask for ones experience if you can’t validate your own. Third, the whole point of what I stated if you had read the full comments is that your listing experience is subjective. That’s why I stated, “it’s your money, spend it however you want to”. Let’s be clear since you open the can of words. Your verbiage is of your own opinion, not facts. What is a fact is that I have had issues with Moon gear, but definitely don’t owe you an explanation. It is not my own experiences weather you like it or not. I never stated I dislike Moon gear, I made a choice that was convenient for me. I’d rather enjoy my music then sending equipment back to companies for repairs. In over 40 years, I have owned some interesting gear from various companies all over the world and go off of my own experience of what I have owned in the past. I’m fortunate to do so. I’m quite sure I’m not alone in this category. If your feeling are b.. hurt because you own Moon products and it hasn’t caused you any problem, get over it and enjoy your music. It’s amazing how some folks have never owned any of the high end McIntosh gear but have an opinion about their quality of sound. So many hatters out there without any validity, smh |
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cleeds3,491 posts12-10-2020 9:33amsolarjamcleeds-- I have no doubt you had problems with your Aurender .
Every manufacturer has a lemon once in a while. Quite so, no doubt. My issues with the Aurender were only in part the actual product - which I do not think was a lemon - but also the indifferent support. And to be fair, many users praise Aurender support. But my experience with them unsatisfactory.
I’m spoiled, though, because for decades I’ve had excellent support from companies such as Bryston, Grado, ARC and McIntosh. In years past, I received excellent support from Infinity, Tandberg, Nakamichi and PS Audio. In my experience, Aurender isn’t in their class. Not even close
cleeds3,491 posts12-11-2020 4:34amlalitkSorry to hear about your experience with Aurender Thanks @lalitk but it’s OK. It’s just an appliance.
... and it appears you’re still pretty miffed about it ... Oh no, not at all. I was never "miffed" about it, just disappointed. Stuff happens.
I see very little point in dwelling over the past. Move on please.... Huh?
I think it’s useful for readers to share their honest experiences here.
What’s odd about this is that if we praise a product, we’re subject to being called a "fanboy." Yet if we’re critical, we may be called "miffed" and asked to "move on."
I have moved on, btw - I bought a Bryston BDP-3 from the same dealer where I bought the Aurender. It’s terrific! I use it with Rigelian software and I think I’ll be pleased with it for years, as I have with other Bryston products. And if you think that makes me a "fanboy," that’s your problem.
Wait! Is this you praising McIntosh gear but attacking my personal experiences with Moon or any other product I’ve actually owned in the past? Hmmmm, SMH. Do you do this with every thread or do you have any validity?? It looks like in your statement, you didn’t have any issues with McIntosh that you mentioned and you definitely didn’t mention anything positive about Moon! Hmmmm. In fact you talked about Bryson, good products by the way + a 20 year warranty:-) |
We test, fix and upgrade all equipment including McIntosh. However, we sell very few lines including Accuphase and Benchmark Media Systems in electronics. Both of these measure and perform well but they present the client with a very different identity. We look for equipment that sounds ’great’ and doesn’t break, and manufacturers who are well-funded. We also shy away from a line with a new update every week even though that probably looses us plenty of sales.
I would class Accuphase in the category of flexible, sonically and visually impeccable ’luxury’ goods from an extremely successful and well-funded company that have been in the same private hands for decades. However, they have recently brought in a new younger engineering designer who has made some exciting new models so they do not rest on their hands.
We test samples and listen to every line before we sell it. Neither current McIntosh nor current Luxman met our criteria. Current McIntosh equipment is designed to a price and is a bear to repair because of their circuit designs, layouts and fabrication.
Conversely, for example, the current and previous generation of separate Accuphase phono preamp is the closest piece of equipment that measures as a ’straight wire with gain.’ Their sonics are exquisite. The AD-50 Phono cards that plug into the integrated and some preamps are derived from them. The latest DAC card is also very good.
We would definitely recommend the E-x80 series if you are looking for a class a/b integrated that has much flexibility.
BTW, I am still using a T-100 FM tuner that I bought decades ago. |
