Help me understand "the swarm" in the broader audiophile world


I'm still fairly new out here and am curious about this Swarm thing. I've never owned a subwoofer but I find reading about them--placement, room treatments, nodes, the crawl, etc--fascinating. I'm interested in the concept of the Swarm and the DEBRA systems, and I have a very specific question. The few times I've been in high-end, audiophile stores and asked about the concept of the Swarm, I've tended to get some eye-rolling. They're selling single or paired subwoofers that individually often cost more and sometimes much more than a quartet of inexpensive, modest subs. The same thing can be said for many speaker companies that make both speakers and subs; it's not like I see Vandersteen embracing the use of four Sub 3's. 

My question is this: do in fact high-end stores embrace the concept of multiple, inexpensive subs? If not, cynicism aside, why not? Or why doesn't Vandersteen or JL or REL and so on design their own swarm? For those out here who love multiple subs, is it a niche thing? Is it a certain kind of sound that is appealing to certain ears? The true believers proselytize with such zeal that I find it intriguing and even convincing, and yet it's obviously a minority of listeners who do it, even those who have dedicated listening rooms. (I'm talking about the concept of four+ subs, mixed and matched, etc. I know plenty of folks who embrace two subs. And I may be wrong about all my assumptions here--really.)

Now, one favor, respectfully: I understand the concept and don't need to be convinced of why it's great. That's all over literally every post on this forum that mentions the word "sub." I'm really interested in why, as far as I can tell, stores and speaker companies (and maybe most audiophile review sites?) mostly don't go for it--and why, for that matter, many audiophiles don't either (putting aside the obvious reason of room limits). Other than room limitations, why would anyone buy a single JL or REL or Vandy sub when you could spend less and get ... the swarm? 


northman
@jdlynch wrote:  " Duke, will I need to get some device to set delays and levels for each individual sub? This is where I would get lost. " 

First, apologies for being so slow to reply.   I hadn't checked in on this thread in a while and didn't realize there was a question waiting for me. 

Imo setting delays individually would not be necessary, as the Swarm obviously gets away without them, and I don't think 3 subs instead of 4 would be any different in that regard.   

If you are using individually powered subs then setting the level of each should be easy with the controls.  You might need the Submersive to be a bit louder than the other two since it's the only one that goes real deep, but then again you might not either... trial & error.  

Imo it might very well be beneficial to be able to adjust the phase of the other two subs.  As a starting point I'd suggest setting one of them (perhaps the one farthest from the main speakers) to a very different phase setting than the other subs, like maybe even 180 degrees.   You might want the out-of-phase sub to be at a different volume level from the others (maybe a bit lower), and then again you might not. 

Duke

Duke/Tim,

Thanks for all the feedback and suggestions. I have an old Velodyne FSR-15 that I may put into the system. I'll look on Craigslist to see if I can pick up a third subwoofer. You guys have me very interested in this type of system and I am excited to try it!

@sounds_real_audio, I would welcome actual clarification of your 9-22-2020 post.  

It’s not too late. 

Duke