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Bridging an amplifier

I recently watched a YouTube video, a few years old, that featured Flemming Rasmussen, the highly regarded founder and engineer for Gryphon (now retired I believe). Flemming was speaking of his class A monoblock amplifiers in the Antileon Evo, Colloseum and Mephisto. Flemming was expressing his disdain for Monoblocks that are actually 2 internally bridged amplifiers, (such as DNA 500,Clayton M300s and also class A Luxman that can be used as Monoblocks in the BTL mode (bridged tied load), calling these types of Monoblocks inferior and not true Monoblocks. He claims dedicated Monoblocks where all push pull transistors are paralleled, are vastly superior to summing the two channels via bridging (antiphase summing). I’d love to know if most audiophiles and engineers agree with Flemming. I have owned and found both the DNA Monoblocks and Clayton M300 Monoblocks to sound excellent, and a friend uses two M-800A Luxman class A amplifiers in bridged tied load mode (BTL switch) with great clarity and power. Thank you for your thoughts!
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georgehifi
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You being also a "fuser" have no idea about EPDR either. 
That's why the Wilson Alexia has one of the evilest loads in the bass ever for an amp to see My friend Edgar Kramer Editor of Soundstage Australia has a pair and has proved it to himself/us and others with all kind of amps he's tried on them. As well as just about every other publication.
Take away the  -43' phase angle and you have doubled the impedance, and made it far better load for an amp to see. https://ibb.co/YPF52Mw
 But not you, you know more than anyone.!  
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Oh George,

Every time you open your fingers and type about EPDR you only show you don't understand it and just continue to prove my point.

Calling me a "fused" is as laughable as your inability to understand the difference between because a fuse is not directional, AC does not matter, and because it's AC, a fuse can't have directional effects.


Keep it up George. I can claim your lack of understanding, but only you can keep proving my statement.


I don't claim to know everything, but when it comes to many aspects of audio, 30+ years of actual design experience, research, and even academia has given me a broad base of knowledge, but also the skills to delve deeper into many topics and a network of experts in topics I am comparatively weak on.
audiobrian OP
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I only recently viewed the additional contributions to this thread I started 19 months ago. I appreciate the additional input. From what I gather, audio2design, dedicated bridged amplifiers can be every bit as good or better than non bridged parallel designs if implemented well. Perhaps this is why Constellation, Naim, PS Audio, McCormack, Clayton, and others build dedicated bridged amplifiers to great success.
As these manufacturers use robust power supplies, the extra current required with bridged designs is not terribly compromising even with lower impedance loudspeakers? Thank you!
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georgehifi
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and others build dedicated bridged amplifiers
Yes a dedicated bridged mono block amps, but not stereo amps that have just been bridged, just to gain more wattage.
There is a big difference in how they will both perform. Re first post (Gryphon’s Flemming Rasmussen) and Almarg’s 5 post down.

The point here is, members are looking to bridging their stereo amps getting another one and doing the same, you end up with a pair powerful PA type amps where you once had quality stereo amps, and what Odyssey does with their monoblocks just their stereo amps bridged, or they used to be when the AU agent showed me the insides.

Cheers George
audiobrian OP
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Thank you, George!  I thought the Clayton S2000, a dedicated bridged balanced design, sounded too good to be characterized as an inferior topology. Just stay away from switching  stereo amplifiers into bridged mode. Got it.

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