Harley quote


Regarding two aftermarket power cables: "These differences in the shapes of the musical waveforms are far too small to see or measure with even the most sophisticated technology, yet we as listeners not only routinely discriminate such differences, we sometimes find musical meaning in these differences."

 Nonsense. Just because people claim to "routinely discriminate" differences doesn't mean it's true or they're right. Apparently many have witnessed UFOs but that doesn't mean they actually saw extraterrestrial visitors, does it? Some have seen/heard a deity speaking to them "routinely"; does that imply that they are surely communing with an unseen/unmeasurable spiritual force(s)? Can we not put a little more effort into confirmatory reality-testing first when "the most sophisticated technology" can find nothing in 2020? (Of course, speaker cables can measure differently as per here, here, even if not necessarily audible in many cases by the time we connect amp to speaker.)

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No comment on this? 

So, here's another attempt to return to the topic; what of my discussion of using full sets of cables as the only legitimate way to work with cables, and to resolve the seeming impasse between measurements and experience?


So, here's another attempt to return to the topic; what of my discussion of using full sets of cables as the only legitimate way to work with cables, and to resolve the seeming impasse between measurements and experience?


I think that is totally misdirected and there is no basis for this. IF, and that is a big if with the exception of speaker cables with excessive inductance, capacitance or resistance, there is a readily audible difference between cables, then the only way that is going to happen is through an interaction between the source, the cable, and the load. Hence what works for one set of equipment, will not for another. The concept of a full loom is pure marketing.

audio2design, thanks for your reply!

Are you taking the position that there is no discernible difference between cables, i.e. that if there is no measurable difference, then there Is no difference?

How many sets of cables have you handled? How many sets of cables have you compared in order to stake your claim?

You are suggesting the cable manufacturers are lying, "marketing". Correct? So, you give no credence to the suggestion that cable makers may know something about signal transmission? As if they do not design their individual products with such considerations in mind. I find that to be a simplistic argument. 

My point is that the argument is between measurements and perception of differences as heard by the listener. If you want to demonstrate that there are differences, quite aside from the measurements, wouldn’t it make sense to swap out a full loom of cables versus just one or two?

Imo, your arguments regarding the "marketing" etc. are irrelevant to my suggestion.
Some of the know something about signal transmission. A lot of them don't appear to. Whether they know something about it or not, what is definitely true is that many, possibly even a majority create marketing material that is full of exaggerations about material differences and geometry differences if not, for lack of a better word, making up how electricity and basic physics work.

However, there is a huge difference between a small difference in electrical transmission and something that is truly audible. I can detect far smaller differences in cable transmission with equipment than what can be heard. It is not even close.

I have been working in professional audio since the late 80s. I have many audiophile friends, many with fairly significant financial means, and my own system is certainly no slouch.  I have lost count of the number of time my friends have said these new cables are a huge difference, only for me to show that blind, they couldn't tell the difference from their old cables, or in most cases, much cheaper. We are talking over the years, 50-75.  There have been cases with audible speaker cables, and a quick check with the test equipment has shown excessive inductance, capacitance, and even in some cases resistance.  For interconnects, we have found the odd poor solder connection too.