The Townshend platform used in the video mitch2 posted is a double-decker design with different springs and standing a lot taller than Podiums. It is clear to me they are not Podiums, yet the guy in the video calls them Podiums.
So I asked around, and am told they look like a very early generation Townshend Stella stand. Why Credo would choose to so blatantly mislead, well we report, you decide.
Likewise there is one point in the video where the graph of the Townshend is clearly better than the Credo. He jumps forward and starts talking about the Credo, and again I leave it to you guys to watch and decide for yourselves why he is being so intentionally misleading.
I will say though that I find it hilarious the way the Townshend video I linked is dismissed as a shill while the other one that appears to me far more biased is deemed highly informative and helpful.
As far as the low level of these improvements are concerned, I have my doubts this is even a good faith discussion on both sides. On one side for sure. The other fellow though...
The proof of human experience is the human being. When people hear it, they hear it. The burden of proof is on the one doing the measuring, not the other way around. At least that is the case for as long as we are talking about what we are talking about: audiophile gear. These things either work, or don't, and either way we know by listening.
This only changes when we flip from being audiophiles looking for better stuff to manufacturers looking to make better stuff. When all you want is results you buy what works. When building it though, whole different story.
Then and only then the concept of "do they really hear it?" begins to matter. Because they pretty much have to hear, or they won't buy. That is why it can make sense for Max or Keith to test and measure, and even do double-blind testing. Building and buying are two very different things. The degree to which people routinely confuse them only goes to show the degree to which they themselves are confused.
There really is no answer that will ever be enough for the one who wants to argue. On the other hand the answers are everywhere - for the one who is willing to listen.
So I asked around, and am told they look like a very early generation Townshend Stella stand. Why Credo would choose to so blatantly mislead, well we report, you decide.
Likewise there is one point in the video where the graph of the Townshend is clearly better than the Credo. He jumps forward and starts talking about the Credo, and again I leave it to you guys to watch and decide for yourselves why he is being so intentionally misleading.
I will say though that I find it hilarious the way the Townshend video I linked is dismissed as a shill while the other one that appears to me far more biased is deemed highly informative and helpful.
As far as the low level of these improvements are concerned, I have my doubts this is even a good faith discussion on both sides. On one side for sure. The other fellow though...
The proof of human experience is the human being. When people hear it, they hear it. The burden of proof is on the one doing the measuring, not the other way around. At least that is the case for as long as we are talking about what we are talking about: audiophile gear. These things either work, or don't, and either way we know by listening.
This only changes when we flip from being audiophiles looking for better stuff to manufacturers looking to make better stuff. When all you want is results you buy what works. When building it though, whole different story.
Then and only then the concept of "do they really hear it?" begins to matter. Because they pretty much have to hear, or they won't buy. That is why it can make sense for Max or Keith to test and measure, and even do double-blind testing. Building and buying are two very different things. The degree to which people routinely confuse them only goes to show the degree to which they themselves are confused.
There really is no answer that will ever be enough for the one who wants to argue. On the other hand the answers are everywhere - for the one who is willing to listen.