Magico V3


I have been considering a speaker upgrade from my current Thiel 3.7s to units in the 10-15k price bracket in the used market. I have auditioned Wilson Sophia 3 and Sasha and Revel Studio2. The studio 2s were to me a sideways move in that the bass was very good but the transparency was no better than what I have; the Wilsons are both very good with superior bass dynamics and extension compared to the Thiels although the Sashas are a few grand out of my price range. Things I have available to audition in my area are Avalon Eidolon Vision and Sonus Elipsa. However, my interest is really peaked in the V3 because I have heard the Mini-2 and the Q3 and liked them a lot; in fact, I think the Q3 is the best I have ever heard, and to my ears preferable to the Wilson Maxx 3 which I also listened to recently. The V3s are available now since they are being traded for the Q3s.

I listen to a lot of orchestral music and acoustic music, mostly on SACD.

I cannot find a pair of V3's to audition in my area. If you have heard the V3s or own them, I am wondering if you think they would provide that wonderful Magico sound I have heard but at a price I can afford.

Thanks in advance for your help.
teeshot
Hi Teeshot,

I have heard:
- Wilson Sasha, Sophia, Watt 8, Maxx1,2 and X1/Grand Slamm and Alexandria x2
- Sonus Faber Elipsa
- V3
- Revel (long time ago...different system)

In general, i would say that alacrity with which the V3 plays is electrifying. Superb and really makes think first and foremost of the incredible speed in the upper range of an electrostatic.

It does have a lightweight feel to the music imho compared to the Sonus Faber Elipsa which may feel more full bodied...but in my opinion did not come across as nearly as transparent, immediate. It felt like the signal was passing instantly thru the speakers with no cone to vibrate and reproduce the musical signal.

Until this, i thought Wilson had demonstrated remarkable things with cones in their X1 and Alexandria speakers...and in terms of full range, i still feel like they have.

which comes to my final point...i do find that the V3 feels voiced to play music back with incredible finesse mid to uppers...bass feels lite to me.

Many might argue it was amp, or room, or something else...but in comparison, right wrong or indifferent, i felt it was 'lite' in those lower registers. perhaps because Alon Wolf did not wish to compromise with full bass that was not up to par with the rest...hence the Q3, etc.

Orchestral is where you might either find the weight is not up to par...or instead, where you find that you end up being focused on different elements of the orchestral suites...but where the higher registers of the orchestra are so well performed by the V3, perhaps you may not care as much that the kettle drums or the basses (or even cellos?) are not as full bodied as you might prefer.

Final thought...i would strongly suggest based on lots of reading that you put a powerful amp behind the Magico...they respond well to very, very high quality current...especially the Mini which can cause many good amps to run out of steam apparently.

You may find with a very, very high quality, high current amp, the speaker responds better in the upper bass and overall extension.

Just one man's opinion. Good luck and pls keep us posted.
Hi Teeshot,

I currently own Visions. I have listened to the Wilson line as well as the Magico's. V3, V2, Q1 Q5 and believe they are great speakers. I think the Q Series are the real deal. With regard to the V series, I feel the Avalon's are better in resolution without ever sounding harsh. With the proper electronics, the Visions are spectacular. I recommend Jeff Rowland. The Wilson line to me has an overwhelming bass that is not true to the music. Sonus Faber is another great speaker. I am not real familiar with the Elipsa. I heard the new models at RMAF and felt they did not sound as good as past models. They had the Elipsa at the show, and I thought they sounded good, but not great.

Good luck
Hi Teeshot,

I have owned early Watt/Puppies, Wilson X-1 series 3, Avalon Eidolon, Magico V3s and now Q3s, and heard many others in ideal (not show) circumstances, including Rockport Altair and Arakkis, Wilson X-2s, Maxx 2s, Avalon Isis and Eidolon Diamonds, and Magico M-6s, etc. I think for the current price in the second hand market, the V3 is the all-time bargain in speakers, provided that you value speed, resolution and musicality over extended but inaccurate bass and dynamic but less transparent mids and highs (all of which you can get from a set of used Watt-puppy 8s for a similar price).

I would echo the comments of others that they want a lot of high quality power and they are not the last word in bass extension (although what is there is as deep as my Eidolons which now reside in the living room, and more accurate). The only speaker that I would move to from the V3 is the Q3 (or Q5, but it really needs a lot of power), which I did, and it is a whole different story, but also more than 2.5 times as expensive. It could be that in the used market for a similar price the Eidolon Vision competes in some areas, but I would have a hard time going back to a ported design for anything other than a home theater or background music application. YMMV