Why amps, pre-amps, integrated amps???


OK, having thusfar asked questions on this forum that have exposed me to the odd raised eyebrow and snicker for my gross audio ignorance, I shall go farther still, and venture to ask: What, exactly, are amps, pre-amps, and integrated amps??. More to the point, what, exactly, is their purpose; what do they do? And why do pre-amps and amps still exist comfortably in the audio market when you can get them combined as an integrated amp?? I just don't get it. Would much appreciate your learned revelations - after, of course, you've finished with your hoots, knee-slaps, and cat-calls.
georgester
12-11-11: Hifihvn
Johnnyb53, who do you think made the amp.
Heathkit itself probably made the amp parts. It was sold in kit form only, so ultimate the purchaser assembled it. Heathkit had been around since 1912, and had started offering electronics kits in 1947, so by the time Zenith bought Heathkit in 1979 heath had a well-evolved design and manufacturing facilities. In fact, Zenith bought Heath to get a leg up on home computer technology as Heathkit had a thriving personal computer product line.

The AA-1600 was one of the first amps to take transient intermodulation distortion (TIM) into account. This type of distortion was so new to amp design that Heath's specs for TIM qualified the numbers as "after Leinomen, Otala, and Curl." This may have something to do with why it is such a departure in sound quality from the "classic" amps of the '70s and an intro the much better sounding amps of the '80s.
Heathkit itself probably made the amp parts.
Could have. But, in the past, they used transformers from companies like Acrosound, Peerless, UTC, and other upper brand transformers in their well known amps, that collectors seek. Sometimes they seek their old amps for these parts made by other companies. Not all of their products were kits. Even some of the speakers made by JBL.
The AA-1600 was one of the first amps to take transient intermodulation distortion (TIM) into account.
It seems they may not have been the leader in seeking ways to measure and work on this. [http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=10255]
Maybe the good old no-feedback design was right in the first place.
Oh yes, Allied, Lafayette, Radio Shack, and others had amps and other products made for them also.
The 'TIM' amps of the late 70s and early 80s proved to be a dead end. What they proved was that you can go overboard chasing specs to the detriment of the final product.

12-12-11: Atmasphere
The 'TIM' amps of the late 70s and early 80s proved to be a dead end. What they proved was that you can go overboard chasing specs to the detriment of the final product.
There was a THD (total harmonic distortion) spec war starting in 1976 and continuing into the '80s, but I never heard of a TIM war. Effective Jan. 1, 1976, the FTC set a federal standard in amplifier measurement to put an end to the confusing power ratings claimed by using different measurement standards. There was RMS, EIA peak power, and there was IPP (instantaneous peak power), and often a bandwidth and variation tolerance was not specified. The FTC rules starting in 1976 started requiring a 1-hour warm-up at a steady 1/3 of maximum power, followed by power testing. The resulting power specs had to be for continuous RMS power over a specified bandwidth (e.g., 20-20KHz) into a specified resistance (e.g., 8 ohms), a frequency fluctuation tolerance (e.g., +0, -2 dB), and a THD distortion rating (e.g., 0.5%).

This prompted a THD war among lower quality amps. It was easy enough to lower the THD measurement by adding more negative feedback to the amp circuit. Although it made the amp measure better per FTC requirements, it altered the slew rate and limited the amp's ability to perform wide voltage swings. Also, the FTC rule only required testing into a resistor of a specific value. This resulted in some bad-sounding amps that had excessive negative feedback and low current designs optimized to measure well into a resistive load (an 8-ohm resistor) rather than into a reactive load (a loudspeaker). It got to where some receiver designers stopped listening to their products altogether and shipped their designs as soon as they met the bench test spec--which may have been set by marketing. The result was a generation of mid-fi electronics that sounded sterile, flat, harsh, and uninvolving, like all those bogus department store rack systems of the '80s.

If anything, TIM was first described by Finnish electronics engineer, consultant, and professor Matti Otala as an unpleasantly audible byproduct of too much negative feedback, a dissonance that went undetected by the steady state measuring methods of the '70s.

Designing to reduce TIM helps make an amp sound better and is still an important parameter in high end amp design today. See this recent review of a $12.5K pair of Electrocompaniet monoblocks. Also see this recent interview with Tim de Paravicini, particularly page 3, where Tim discusses the challenges and effects of TIM in amplifiers, particularly solid state ones where the negative feedback loops slow down the slew rate and allow transient overload.