ll I have to say is I have listened to a lot of cartridges in my day and the Pickering XSV 3000 is still on my table. To me, that says a lot. Its why I started this thread. I know the Ortofon Black is a very well known MM cartridge and I have heard it a few times. It does not have the same smooth sound of the Pickering. In fact, the Pickering does remind me more of Koetsu cartridge sound than the Ortofon. I remember the Ortofon Black being a very detailed MM cartridge. Thats what I remember. Other than MC cartridges, what cartridge can compare for the money? Thats the question. maybe the Hana?