Looking for my Final Pair!!


Been through the high end maelstrom for over 30 years and although I have enjoyed the ride, I desperately want to find speakers that exude dynamics, tone and presence.  I want to be transported to the Village Vanguard where The John Coltrane Quartet are performing any night I desire.  I want to feel the timbre of his sax 🎷. When I close my eyes I want to be enveloped by the atmosphere of the space and awash with the impact and emotion being expressed by the musicians.  I don’t want to hear what the engineers hear after they mix a recording...I want to be in the studio when the tracks are being laid down!  So far, Tannoy Heritage Arden have come to my attention, Klipsch Cornwall IV’s, JBL S4700’s or perhaps Spatial Audio X3’s?  Help
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Dear @dave_b : Believe me that I really appreciated you pasted here the REL manual, thank’s for that.

Now, you said that prefer that the main speakers been play full range and according to that and the REL info then you are crossing at around ( more or les ) 34hz. Only you know the precise frequency you choosed through the REL crossover.

Again I’m not be argumentative against what you like it. What I’m trying to do is why you like the more with your speakers playing full range when the 99.99% of the audiophiles with a pair of self powered subs ( including the ones that owns REL. ) always likes the more the room/system quality levels when the main speakers does not plays full range but use a high-pass filter to makes the IMD goes way lower from the spaker woofers.

Obviously that I can be totally wrong but this is mytake/explanation about:


first the S2 units you use ( I’m thinking that you own two S2s. ) are not true subwoofers due that its low bass spec says: -6db at 24hz.

So using the CW the frequency range that sees/plays the subs is really a short one. Nothing wrong with that, it’s your choice.

Now, what happens if the crossover instead to be at say 40hz goes up to 100hz?

I’m sure that I don’t like it because the signal in the subs is powered by the NEXTGEN 2 DIGITAL amplifiers.

The other issue in both ways: full range or crossed higher is that the overall signal that " sees " the speaker amplifiers is generated by the REL that could be a first rate/excellent one or could be not so good, depends on the REL internal quality design.

For me certainly that an electronics company as the Canadian Bryston makes products with excellent design ( because are specialist on that kind of electronics by a lot of years. ) and excecution design as the electronic crossover that I link in one of my posts in the thread.

Any way my advise still is the same: we must to make that the developed IMD levels in the woofer of our speakers goes a lot lower and through REL we can’t do it, we can’t have success.

I respect your way of thinking and your very fast mind status changes. I said that because I told you the high limitation of the CW at its reproduction of high frequencies and you told me that you don’t care or that I was wrong because music instruments does not goes beyond 20khz and now you have supertweeters to solve that problem.

R.
Understood...not sure he can help himself. Probably means well but can’t take a hint 🙃  The whole reason I use REL (and have so for years with most of full range speakers) is because of their design philosophy, which is to augment the mains by adding reinforcement which adds atmosphere and presence along with harmonic density!
atmasphere : my mistake but I’m not need your post as a reference because makes no sense at all:

" The use of a sub is good, but in order to really take advantage of that, you’d have to make sure no bass is getting into the Cornwalls. "

No bass? really? Then let us know what is your first hand experience to do that in the CW or other similar passive speaker.

I stated in the thread the normal low/high pass crossover frequency to make lower the CW IMD .

The other part in reference to use an electronic crossover:

" muddy the sound, eliminating any perceived advantage ...."

dave is doing your " muddy the sound " through the REL crossover. At least I posted this way of connection after he posted the REL manual operation and he don't tell me he is doing in other way . 

You make critics and as always with out facts. Please bring/show here your first hand experiences with measures that proves your " muddy sound eliminating ANY perceived advantage ".

it’s stupid to think that all subs in home places are used stand alone as low bass reinforcement only.

So what are you talking about? 

You can take all the examples I posted of manufacturers in the thread that use subs with its main speakers and they made the design for the subs handled only a part of the bass range not all bass through the subs as you posted:
"" NO BASS is getting..... "

R.