Eminent Technology LFT8B’s reversing woofer polarity


Hi,

I have a pair of the Eminent Technology LFT8B’s and read Dr. Robert E Greene review in the Absolute Sound magazine (2014 I believe) of the speakers where in the review he reversed the polarity of the woofers and said it made a significant improvement. He was going to give the speakers a mediocre review (his words) before doing this and after reversing the woofer polarity he then said they were significantly better and proceeded to give them a rave review. Have any LFT8B owners out there ever tried this? Thank you.

Scot
scothurwitz
@ledoux1238: The Townshend Pods raise the height of the LFT-8 about 1.5" above that of the SA stands’ stock spikes. One reason I prefer planars is because of the higher image they create relative to most "box" speakers. I like looking up at the "stage", not down on it (as if from the balcony in a theater).

I sit in a low-back stuffed chair, my ears around 38" off the floor. The panel of the LFT-8 contains a pair of vertically-aligned---one above the other---m-p drivers, almost filling the entire 12" X 48" panel. The single ribbon tweeter which runs alongside those drivers is centered above the middle of the panel and the midrange/bass drivers, and is of course very limited in vertical dispersion. If your ears are below the tweeters radiation pattern, the rear of each speaker can be raised above that of the front, to aim the tweeters output a little downward. A couple of MDF or Baltic Birch blocks will do for testing, a set of BDR discs used permanently if you like (their 2-3/4" diameter is perfect for supporting the bottom of each pod. I use them between the Pods and my carpeted floor).
@bdp24 
Thanks for the BDR tip. I am sure I can source locally for something similar. The Townshend pods will be inserted sometime down the line.

There is a question about adding OB subs to the ET’s. I think you run GR Research servo subs and you do not connect to the ET’s woofers. You mentioned somewhere that the ET’s crossovers still engage the woofers even if they are bypassed. Have you tried to disengage the woofers from the crossover?

@ledoux1238, the LFT-8b contains two pair of binding posts, one for the panels, one for the bass bins. The speaker comes with a set of jumper wires between the two, to facilitate running the speaker with a single stereo amplifier (the power amp can be connected to either set, to the panel posts makes the most sense). If one wishes to bi-wire or bi-amp, that jumper may be removed. That also allows one to not connect the bass bin at all, which is what you do if using a separate woofer/sub. So the woofer doesn’t see the signal at all, but the power amp still sees all frequencies, including low frequency ones.

One of the benefits of full-on bi-amping is keeping bass frequencies (in the case of the LFT-8b, those at and below around 180Hz) out of the power amplifier, which raises the power available to the panels whilst simultaneously lowering the distortion the amplifier produces (especially advantageous with a tube amp). The LFT-8b instruction literature includes details on how to create passive 1st-order low-pass and high-pass filters (an external x/o for bi-amping), the employment of which provides those full bi-amping benefits.

If the LFT-8b is used without a separate external x/o, while the power amp will see bass frequencies, the m/t panel won't, as the speaker-level x/o is already removing low frequencies from the signal sent to the m/t drivers. It's not as complicated as a first reading of all these details may make it seem!

@bdp24 
1. Can I simplify use two separate amps, one connected to m/t panels and one connected to the woofers, without a cross-over? Do I need some form of volume control for output mismatch?
 

2. From reading the manual, I need two x/o in passive application, one 180hz high pass and one 180hz low pass. 
a. Where can one find ready made high and low pass x/o modules?
b. Where to I connect these to?
c. Would I need additional volume dial to match output?


@ledoux1238:

1: You sure can. However, if the two amps don’t provide the same gain (fairly likely), you WILL need a means of adjusting the volume of the higher gain one. Some power amps include a volume control, but these days that’s rare. A simple outboard volume "pot" at the input of the power amp will work, but will of course necessitate an extra inter-connect.

By the way, if you use two identical amps, you can bi-amp either horizontally (one stereo amp for the panels, one for the woofers) or vertically (one stereo amp for each complete loudspeaker).

2: Exactly correct.

a: This subject has been discussed in detail many times before on Audiogon, so do a subject search; there are lots of products to choose from. I have the nice little x/o Nelson Pass offered in the First Watt B4, but it is no longer offered factory-assembled (kit only now), though it is more x/o than you need for this application (plus it retailed for $1500, perhaps more than you want to spend). There are LOTS of self-contained volume pots (even from ebay vendors), one from HSU (the maker of subs) for under $100. Cheap volume pots are notorious for channel imbalance, so get a good one! When he was alive, Roger Modjeski was offering a "Volume Pot In A Box" pre-amp (he was a proponent of passive pre-amping). Contact Music Reference to see if there are any left in stock.

However, the best way to do the filtering (possible because that needed is the simplest of all types) is a passive, 1st-order (6dB/octave). All that requires is one cap and one resistor per channel, which can easily be soldered onto the input jacks on the power amps, inside the amps. Why is that ’best"? No extra inter-connect required, no extra breaks in the signal path. Less is more! (that goes for you too, musicians ;-)

If you have a good tech in your area, having him do the work won’t cost you much. I had Tom Carione at Brooks Berdan Ltd. in SoCal install the exact filter you need in my Bedini 25/25. I had him replace the stock binding posts with Cardas at the same time.

b: already answered.

c: ditto.


I hope this doesn’t sound too daunting. Used as delivered from the factory, the LFT-8b already sounds great (have you read the review by Robert Greene in TAS, or the reviews in UK mags?) . I would listen to the speaker stock, see if you like it enough to take it to another level. Be sure to get the dedicated stand Sound Anchor makes for the LFT-8b. If you’re familiar with that stands they make for the Vandersteen speakers, you’ll know what they look like. Eminent Technology stocks and sells them.