Speakers The single most critical component
Obviously you prefer to live with the flaws inherent in FR drivers. However, others prefer to live with the flaws in other designs..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vs the blaring, obnoxious, horrid, flaws of the traditional box xover designs, Yes I can happily , comfortably, enJOYably listen to the flaws in the FR design. |
Mr Mozart... we may differ on details but fundamentally agree. The path to the truth for me is highly efficient speakers and low powered amplifiers. That has led me to the horns I have today which are around 110dB efficient
Perfect? .. no People who say horns blare or honk are misinformed, mostly parroting what they’ve read as they have obviously never heard a properly designed and implemented horn system. If I didn’t have the space for the horns I would go with a so called full range driver like a Lowther or other similar design perhaps supplemented by a horn tweeter as you suggest. In any case, we agree that low efficiency, multi driver speakers in boxes with complex crossovers unsuccessfully trying to get them integrated is not the way to go |
In any case, we agree that low efficiency, multi driver speakers in boxes with complex crossovers unsuccessfully trying to get them integrated is not the way to go
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WEll yes and no, This speaker discussion is a tricky argument. AT this point i owe Troels Gravensen a apology, Treols does in fact offer a few of his designs with 92db box/xover designs. So my Thors are 87 which is rediculously low, His 92db are acceptable and may be of some interest to those not willing to go FR/Horn. My listening room is 10x12, I can not employa huge horn 3 way system and HUGE sound stage is not my goal, Easy listening , no fatigue is my goal. I'm guessing your 3 way horn system is highly accurate with stunning sound stage, But the size and most important the weight. A single 8 inch FR can be built usinga snaded plywood cabinet, UNDER!!!! 40 lbs each. HUGE benifit from a low weight, small framce speaker, Here is where Troels gets in trouble with his 2 offerings of 92db speakers, The size and WEIGHT, Some of us are getting up in age and we have no use for any speaker over say,,,50 lbs. The Thors come in at 60 lbs, just ridiculous. Not sure what Troels weight comes in at but they sure look heavy..and the price? = $$$$$$$$$ Lets go see http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/CNO-4.htm Ohh look Troels is using the SEAS Cresendo tweet, SEas flagship which is NOT 92db, more like 87 or 89, so not sure where he is getting hhis 92db out of this speaker, Weight? Does not say,,looks like she's a 100+ pounder, 60 lbs over my threshold. + the price? does not say, To havea local carpenter to build that exact cabinet $3k + the xovers/drivers , add another $3k+ so lets say $6k fora *92db* box/xover style speaker, VS Voxativ's 96db AC1C single driver. @ $1900, build your own cabinet @ $100. weight, under 50 lbs. Troels does very nice speakers in his lab, thing is they are dated vs the new technology from Voxativ. Voxativ allows the music to flow naturally, you connect to the sound as if it is alive, a living presence. Troel's designs sounds like music comming froma box. It attacks you. Mostly due to the low 92 db sensitivity. Yeah 92db is low in my book. The Golden Threshold is 94db. |
complex crossovers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Huge advantage concerning Full Range, no xovers needed. I wish to continue employing the term *Full range* concerning the single driver design, Although as many have pointed out, these single drivers lack the high fq resolution. Still when we consider 90% of our music is in the bass/midrange fq's. Its as close to completeing the fq range as possibe voicing from a single driver. I suspect the Voxativ's drivers might even meet the 95% fq range in their designs, Making a horn wteet only necessary for the *ambience*(in classical music) as Richard Gray wisely points out. He really hit the nail on the haed bringing up that essential key issue, which i could not figure out. *Ambience* My Diatone cone 6.5 lacks the sparkle, shimmers in the high register. So I can confirm some Ful range are missing top end. I can say no more about Voxativ's performance until I actually get the driver in my system. |
