Speakers The single most critical component


I know we've been over this Q hundreds of X's over the past 20 years here on audion, You can find dozen of topics dealing with this Q <which is the ,,,,most important component...>>
well time for yet 1 more topic dealing with this,, perhaps unanswered, un-resolved issue.
I'm bringing up the old hachet due to my recent experience acutally hearinga FR in my system. 
Let me tell you, there is not even 1 traditional/conventioanl/xover design <The Boxed Type>> in the world that could convince me  , there is something that will beat out FR (caveat, FR requires  some sort of high sens =sensitivity, tweeter)  in  the Boxy world of speakers.
That is to say, FR + Compression Horn is the future of 21st Century high fidelity. 
One lab has already brought us these ~~~SHF~~~ aka SuperHighFidelity  single drivers. 
The code word here is ~~SHF~~~ which can not never be employed when describing xover/trad/conventioanl style  aka The Box designs. db level under 91 are _<<IN-EFFICIENT>> , = dysfunctional, out dated, old school , = Dinasaurs. 
For amps, I only consider tube amps (PP and SET) as ~~SHF~~~ I can not include ss amps in this topic. 
IMHO all well made tube amps sound very close,
 a  kt88 in brand X will sound  close to brand Y. 
So amplification takes a  distant 2nd place in critical component.  No need to break the bank buying amp A vs  a  lower priced kt88 amp B
CD players, nearly all  tube DAC's , tube cdp-ers sound  close. No need to braek the bank over X vs Y.
My Jadis DAC is  only miniscule gain over the Shanling,
 the Shanling
only a  miniscule gain over the Cayin CD17. 
Now as for  best source  , phonograph is the ideal playback medium vs cds. 
I have some LP's now , but my main collection are classical cds, most not on LP version. Cables , I did note some gains employing silver/copper wiring throughout my entire system including inside the Defy.
Tweak worthy.
New Mundorf caps in all componets, tweak worthy. 
Yet the main central component remaisn the speakers.
Here is where  the entire audio resolution either rises to Nirvana or falls to <<distortion/muddy waters,/pollution/anti-fidelity  voicing  issues.
Your system's fidelity is ultimately dependent on what speaker  you have chosen to employ.
Forget all you've learned over the years, 
The new mantra is <,The speaker is key component>
All else is just extra tweaks/nuances. 
To sum up, a  ~~SHF~~ driver will match even the top of line Wilson weighing in at hundreds of lbs priced $$$$$$$ overa single FR driver. 
FR beats out any/all xover box design speakers. Mostly due to that key specification ~~db level~~~ which is everything in speaker design and thus in resolution/fidelity. 

mozartfan
It’s like saying your lungs are more important than your heart or your brain.  They all need to work in harmony.  
Explains the infatuation with small, FR speakers.

Without disparaging the OP, the budding audiophile can learn from this thread.


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You would be very surprised at  one of Ricahrd Gray's ~~~ Guess what speaker or amp (he perforams both tricky blind auditions)  is  now playing behind the curtain. ~~~ He chuckles as to how often seasoned audiphiles can get their guesses WRONG, some folks get hoy headed to the point ofa  fist in the face.
So small room yes, but even ina  larger setting a  high fidelty 8 FR will knock your socks off. 
Yet can also accustom itself to a  small room setting with pleasant richness, never ever do you feel under attack, as with the other <brands>


As to 2nd point, Correct. That is the  main goal of this thread. 
Had someone wayyy  back in 2000ish when I opened one of Agons longest running threads, ~~Speaker Shootout at the OK  Corral~~~ seems in all the k'sm of posts, somehow i missed out on the FR alternative, Electro stats were HUGE favor back then, so they along with xover brand took up most of my attention. 
I knew i did not like SET sound, so FR somehow got deleted from my serious considertion.
Now some 20 years later, I am FR/wide band /high sensitivity worlds biggest fan-atic.
Guess you can;t tell 
;--))
anyway. sure glad Douglas saw through my rants as to the main goal of this topic. 
Newbies can now look at the speaker mountain from different angles and make their own wise, well researched decision 
In these troubled times, makinga  speaker purchase can be a  1 time event for some newbies here. 
They wish to make it count.
Besides note the speaker board, 99% is all about xover traditional designs. 
I feel thats a  bit biased if not  tunnel  vision. 
FR technology has come alonggg way, lets not shove FR off the table.
Fr will give xover low sens speakers a run for their money in comming decades. 
Its just a matter of EDU and time. 
I can see a  new revolution in speaker  choices.
Remember when we would go ina  audio store and ck out the rooms full  of all sorts of xover designs,, hahaha, I picked the Philips 2 way, paper 8 woofer, nice tweeter.
I thought they were the most cleanest,, Then I placed the next to the Thors and dumped the Philips 425's for $50 on craigslist.
Now i am dumping the Thors. 
Never could go back-wards to xover low sensitivity speakers.
But hey whatever floats your boat. 
My hope is newbies comming into this fantastic , most wonderful and can be very rewarding hobby, will say, <<Gee this guy has been around all audio for longer than i was born,,and he has completely totally rejected ~~The Standard xover design speaker~~, whats up with that?? 
This is my hope, to plant seeds of change, That they maight be enlightened and with minds opened, awareness sparked by this new technological advances in speaker design. This way they can make more careful, studied, purposeful decisions when purchasing what may be theirs for The KEEPS.
This is my dream and hope.
Xovers, ha!,  = means the driver has crippling  flaws and serious issues. in all things voicing true high fidelity.
Think, say this word over and over
~~Efficiency~~ = Effectiveness, performance, helping the amplifier to works its inner magical qualities.
High = good 
Low = bad.  
Just out of curiosity, just wondering
if there were other threads  showing interest in Voxativ
Sure enough there area  few.
However, some have been DELETED, CANCEL CULTURE, Moderattors shut  a  few down.
Why?
Is audiogon for free speech Or against out constitutional rights to free respecful, civil speech??
Moderators?
Well this thread is close to get shut down, I am sure. 
sad, if so, 
Even if it does, there were more than 5000 views in less than 1 week. I think this is a Audiogon count record since this  forum began. 
So if we have 5000 views, this shows more folks are gaining interest in all things audio and increases Audiogon  popularity as a  audio chat forum where new ideas can be discussed and explored.
This is what makes Audio a  new adventure, and hopefully will allow newbies to make better more critical judgements in their purchases. 
Thats all I am attempting to do with this topic. 
Think outside the box.
If I have acheived this, I am not at all disgruntled about my recent $1800 loss in box xover upgrades. .
Kind Regards.
I've heard quite a few excellent quality speakers that employ three drivers with the mid driver covering a wide frequency range and the woofer&tweeter extend with low and high crossover frequencies.   They act like a FR with some help.   I have not heard a FR dynamic box speaker using one driver that I want as my main listening room speaker.