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My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!

So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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viber6
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rbach,
Since I found that zip reveals more HF than any other speaker cable I've tried, the soundstage is more upfront.  I hear more detail both front and back, although the entire stage is more forward than it would be from warmer and more bass dominant cables, just as with electronics.  In other words, the zip stage is 1 to 30 feet deep; a warmer cable's stage is 10 to 100 feet deep.  So the range for zip is a factor of 30; for the other the factor is only 10.  This is all highly variable, dependent on the recording and the room/speakers, of course.  I don't analyze soundstage much, but mainly listen for tonal quality and detailed musical information content.  Try zip for a dollar, and report what you hear.
pokey77
1,265 posts
 
It is now time to get back to Jays adventure.
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jays_audio_lab OP
5,381 posts
 
Are Mágico speakers really inert cabinets? 


https://youtu.be/NW2kH-e1R2A

Stay tuned for the full video.... With 95db of volume...
rh67
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golfnutz

I agree with everything you say about ICE POWER.

Too many get fixated on one or two aspects of performance a great amp has to do it all otherwise it falls into the ordinary category.
ricevs
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zip cord? All brands of zip cord will sound different. All gauges will sound different. The directionality of the wire makes a difference....and of course, you want the cables off the floor. If you listen to zip cord with bare ends the you have a serious advantage. All speaker connectors suck. Use bare wires and binding post bypass system (my invention). Zip cord is not serious wire for audio.....ordinary wire, ordinary insulation....makes for ordinary sound. PVC sucks as a dialetric.

IceEdge: The stock IceEdge is OK. If you put a tube in front of it....like PS Audio does....and upgrade the tube to NOS then you get good sound. If you modifiy the IceEdge module then you get really good sound without a tube needed. However, no matter what you do to it.....it will never be state of the art......just fantastic for the money.

The writing on the wall is clear. The class D amps of the future will be what we will all be using. The AGD amps are getting raves ($7500 5 lb. mono blocks....20 day home trial).....Mytek is releasing 500 watt mono GaN based amps in two months for $20K and right after that a dual mono stereo 200 watt GaN based amp for $7K. These may compete with the big boys.....and even the 500 watters weigh only 30lbs each. More tweaky class D is in progress including $5K Gan based amp from Atmasphere.

Would love to see Jay make an open baffle speaker using the top of the line 10 inch Cube full range driver. Have you guys read the reviews of the $16K Nenuphar?.....that uses these drivers. The stock Nenuphar is limited by its construction. The speaker box is veiling the sound, the binding posts on the back are veiling the sound and the tip jacks on the speaker and the bananas that they must be using there are really veiling the sound. So, if you mounted the drivers ($8500 a pair delivered to your door) on a four foot high by 2 foot wide baffle and used one foot by 4 foot wings directly pointing back on the sides.....you would get a flat response to around 40 hz. You buy some great $15 a foot speaker wire without connectors and you connect to your mono blocks right behind the speaker and hard wire the speaker wire directly to the voice coil wire. This would be way more transparent than the Nenuphar......probably would blow you mind. I would make the baffles out of 3 pieces of three quarter inch material (2.25 inches thick total).....all different types to kill the resonances. I would use bamboo plywood, highly refined particle board and 13 ply baltic birch. You could use a solid piece of Oak or Maple as the front as well..... no binding posts, no crossover, no veiling box.....just pure open sound. If I had the money, this is what I would do......for $10K it would probably beat most $100K speakers except for power, bass and dynamics. However, you would be amazed at the purity of sound......the phase perfect imaging, time aligned by God. I am drooling at the possibilities. Lots of cool stuff out there for way less money.........Of course, you could run open baffle woofs next to them and limit the low end response of the Cube speakers by inserting a small super transparent cap in line with the main amp to limit the response to say 100 hz and then bring in a pair of big bad 15 incher’s driven by their own class D modded IceEdge for bass that would knock your walls down.....maybe another $5k.

I know Jay won’t do this.....but someone reading this might. You would be in for a serious treat. Most of us reading this thread cannot afford a single item Jay is using. This is just entertainment.....like following Supercar Blonde. However a $10K speaker is doable for many.......My friend in Pocoima, CA is using the $1200 a pair Lii Audio 10 inch silver full range driver on a baffle exactly as I described. He is adding 2 15 inch woofs right now on another open baffle for each side. He loves the Lii drivers.....once burned in and wired directly to the voice coil. He is getting flat to 40hz and the speaker is 95db sensitive......for less than $2K you can build this speaker. Best speaker he has ever had. He has added an ESS medium size AMT on top with copper foil cap for a slight improvement on top.
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