Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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Rob - Thiel's homegrown boards were all masonite. The show boards were masonite sanded and painted to look cool. Asian imported boards were all fiberglas. It is possible there were transition boards, but I've not heard of them.
The 2.7 was made entirely in-house in Lexington under management of the first New Thiel team who sought to return to roots. New Thiel ownership changed leadership 5 times in the 5 years they ran it. Team 2 abandoned Jim's design approach and took all manufacture to Asia.

As far as I know, if yours has a masonite board, it also has components refined through time for best cost-performance.
FWIW - I spent about 6 months in intensive wire learning and comparisons last year. I felt connected to that exploration since I had researched and selected the original wire for the 03, Thiel's first phase coherent speaker in 1978. Thiel stayed with that wire and its successors throughout Original Thiel. It is CDA101 (5-9s, long crystal, oxygen free) in teflon, tight twist (originally 2 / inch, then 3/ inch. Originally we bought from ITT, the aerospace developer of the wire. When StraightWire began, they took over the audio marketing of that wire. Its successors served Thiel onward as well as many other manufacturers. Note that FST boards have a similar-looking wire, but it is CDA102 (next grade down) with sometimes less tight and tidy twisting in a less than teflon jacket.

In my re-investigation I sampled Cardas and various offerings of various configurations in various jackets. We listened blind, and I compared a suite of 8 measurements of each wire. Although I don't have definitive tests, our listening paralleled what seemed to be superior measurements. Most of the artifacts of various "lesser" wires occur below 20Hz and above 20kHz. But a sonic signature persists in audibility. Across brands and insulation type, stranded wire has a "forgiving" signature with an appealing bloom in the bass, with a bit of soft tizziness in the upper end. I would call it nice and warm. Solid wire, regardless of other factors, sounds comparatively simple, straightforward and lean. Somewhat counterintuitively, the high end sounds cleaner and more solid than stranded.
I cross-checked my findings with Stevem Hill at Straightwire who cross-checked our mutual observations and hypotheses with his physicist associates. I always incorporate what I study and strive to understand with what I hear, beginning with blind listening and progressing through a reduction of possibilities toward a small handful of contenders that sound good and measure well. That has always been a Thiel hallmark, we never choose "nice sounding" if there is evidence of technical glitches.

My solution uses a combination of 18 solid and 18 stranded in a particular twist. It behaves extremely well on the scope and in the listening room. I am hand-laying my own working samples, but at some time it will become available through Straightwire.

As a general rule, you can assume that anything you get from Rob at CSS is actual Thiel OEM, and that anything connected to an FST (glass) board is an Asian clone. In all cases I have found the Asian clones to be quite good, but a step down from Thiel OEM.

There is a lot more to wire than can be measured with capacitance, resistance, and inductance. Electromagnetic propagation interactions, electrolytic absorption and wire crystaline anatomy all do things. Some among us hear artifacts from those things. Some in the engineering arena think we're crazy. But in all cases that I have gotten a straight-ahead engineer to listen, they agree that there is something going on. Steve Hill thinks they can't admit what they hear because their understandings of the processes don't account for the differences. Therein lies the gate to audiophildom: we believe it matters if we can hear it, and the cognitive understandings must follow from the heard experience.
Hi All,

Just wanted everyone to know that I keep learning by reading this thread. and I am not through all of it yet...!

One thing I have learned, know, is that the CS5i's are not bright. Feed them right and you will be rewarded.

Right now, I am listening at 53 on the CJ 17LS2 (80-85 dbls at my chair) when I normally listen at like 17 to 29.

Everything is holding together with no harshness and the bass is pounding it along. The Mystique V3 DAC is adding to the speakers.

Jafant, thanks for the thread,

Dsper






I am new to this mania, moving from a Pioneer 1050 SX to something more fun. Not ready for the cost of hifi...

I have some Theil CS 1.5 speakers that I want to power up. They will be in a small home office 12x15, but may move them into the garage/shop 24x24 but crowded as I spend a lot of time there woodworking and kicking back.

Considering cost,,,, for an amp I am looking at a Classe CAP 101 and a Bryston 2B with a 0.5B preamp. 

I will use a Bluesound Node and stream Qobuz or my CD collection flac files from a hard drive.

What do you guys think?
Fascinating thread for a non Thiel owner.  I just remember auditioning the Thiel and Vandersteen together at my local shop back in the day (Take 5 Audio across from Yale).  I liked the Vandersteen 2's better as the high end was a bit less pronounced, but I think it also may have been the electronics (but it was all Threshhold if I recall).  

Both lines were better than anything else they had in the store to my ears.  They were a large Wilson dealer, but I never liked Wilson's as they made my ears bleed, lol...

It's that both speakers are time and phase correct. Many don't hear the differences, but I can nearly promise you that any Vandersteen or Thiel lover does hear it and is sensitive to it.  I'd love some Thiel owners of years past (when Jim made them) to post on the Vandersteen forums as we have so much in common. We have a lot of music threads there too.  This is a fun thread as folks appreciate the music and not just the equipment.