Blindfold Speaker testing


So if we made a  experiment where a  group of seasoned audiophiles had to choose  which speaker is best over all, 
6 brands all hidden behinda  curtain.
5 top dawgs in the xover box low sens design and 1 of the high sens PS design. How do you think the results will come out?
But we will not tell the group what speakers are behind the curtains, They will have no idea 1 of the speakers is Point Source. 
How do you think the, or lets say which 1 speaker do you think would come out on top?
No lets do this, Lets give the  group a  list of 5 speaker brands, Walsh, Wilson, Tannoy, and 2 others which are very popular, like Joseph with the Seas. 
and 1 more,
The mystery speaker is not listed, so they have no idea what speaker it is.
The ? speaker is the high sens Point Source.
Now Richard Gray hosts this *guess which speaker event* as he is a  master of these types of gimmicks and  has seasoned audiophiles fooled every single time.
Which speaker do you think will make top of the list in results??
I know.
The Mystery Speaker.
Then Richard pulls the curtain and reveals the winner.
 SURPRISEE
Got ya
The Hifi Guy


mozartfan
" I’ve not heard such pure midrange in any modern speaker."
care to list the speakers youve had in the past?
its quite obvious you havent own much, and you make your SQ opinion on youtube vids

" Plesae buy High Sens, this way you are helping the new 21st C speakers to become more avaliable at a better price."
you have to be a troll to say such weird claims 
care to list the speakers youve had in the past?

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More than I care tom remember.
YUCKKKY, Including Troel's designs

you have to be a troll to say such weird claims


Actually The Town crier. 
FR/High sens mids are completely totally opposites, \
Black N White, 
Either /OR, 
20 yrs ago i initiated a  Speaker Shootout at the OK Corral, 
Odd I recall, FR /High sens were hardly ever mentioned AND never ever completely explained.
Its like the dark ages, 500/800 Goth times, Where news takes years to travel, and when news does finally get to where its going, its all tistorted news. 
Here is the simple clear undenyable truth
Mids from a xover design  can not compete isa  spaeker shootout with a  high tech FR/High sens, 
Can't,
Trust me, if we made this comapre with the worlds best 3 top xover midarnge vs either Vox or AER, 
Your xover mids would fail the UNBIASED testing.
Where are you going to find honest fair judging critics????
Not that I know   of any,,Ohh Stereophile,,yeah, they always get it so accurate...
I am speaking pure musical zero distortion mids, 
there is no xover speaker ever that will stand the high sens testing. 
Trust me, I got 40 yrs listening. 
I know a  speaker when I hear one. 
I block the bass and highs when testing.
. Its only mids I am interested in. 

Look I really am only looking for comments from those members who have actually heard with their own ears a  high sens new high tech speaker, All others, read, but please withold your snidey smirks.
Go listen to one, THEN come back and a make a comment
Thanks
THe Hifi Guy
High sensitivity would most likely affect your perceptions if the demo or comparison was not precisely level calibrated.  Even 1/2 dB of additional [SPL] output is enough to COMPLETELY convince you one speaker sounds better than another.  You'd put money on it - you'd even buy the winner. 

This is a very old hi fi demo trick where a highly skilled sales person can control the outcome of any demo by subtle level differences.  Often the salesperson is unaware of these differences themselves, unless they have had extensive listening training/experience.  With most hi fi gear unable to repeat the same exact L/R level over and over because pots (volume controls) are mechanical wipers that can vary, the only way around it is precise stepped attenuators that are mostly 1/2dB or more.  It may not be enough precision as 1/4dB across a large portion of the audio spectrum is definitely audible. 

This is the exact problem of passive crossovers, they cannot account for sensitivity variance of production that is always more than 1/4 to 1/2 dB, its often more than 1 to 3 dB.  Cheap machine made drivers often have a "acceptable variance" of 6dB.  Passive crossovers cannot be controlled precisely enough to adjust for this variance.  You are literally swapping out parts in the passive crossover trying to match levels and youo wont get there perfectly, only within a dB or 2.  Your perception "this speaker is brighter than the one I heard in the store may actually be true because the drivers vary every so slightly in sensitivity (the more sensitive one sounding like it has better low end and high end).  The manufacturer themselves cannot adjust for this, they just try and get close.  

Precise level control in a shoot out is extremely difficult with the obvious varying sensitivity of multiple complete speaker systems.  Most preamps do not have enough resolution to adjust in 1/4 dB increments.  Most switchers are not good enough themselves to get precise (+/-1/4dB) level control.  Audio memory does not last long enough to manually switch cables over and have it be an accurate A/B.  So shootouts are useless without an inordinate amount of time being spent on precision level calibration. 

With room effects changing every single speaker in the room, the differences in position of each speaker are the smoking gun that position ALONE is responsible for many significant spectral changes that you perceive as "qualities".  Room influences of speaker position or YOUR position are responsible for many of the "I swear to God I hear more/less xyz" that we attribute to various system components.   

Brad