My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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kren,

Here’s the video from ricevs of the ultra cheap Lil Audio Silver 8 system.

https://youtu.be/p_VqDN5-878

On the 1st song, "Way down deep" to me the overall sound is brilliant, sharp and clear. To me, all the selections show excellent resolution and neutrality from the diverse voices and instruments.  My guess is you would find the tweeter too sharp and hot, and the voice somewhat cold and sterile. Your Spendor D9.2 looks like a nice design with sweeter midrange/HF than this Lil Audio. What do you think? For only $11K, I see why you didn’t find any speaker to equal the D9.2. To spend $15K or more on the Bartok, much greater than the cost of the D9.2, requires some soul searching, unless you think your D9.2 cannot be beaten at many multiples of the price. All the full range Wilsons are multiples of the price, and perhaps even though they might have more HF detail than the D9.2, the sweet midrange and coherent HF of the D9.2 might be superior to that range in a Wilson.

It would be great if you can record this song and post here so we could compare the two systems.

Jay,
Your latest XLF video with the gold bullets sounds great. There is more sweetness and still the excellent mid/HF detail of the XLF. This could be your winning combination that cannot be beaten by any other speaker for what you want.  That Lil Audio system does challenge the XLF, though.  I hope you can demo a few of those selections on your XLF.  Thanks.
No interest in posting videos or trying to convince others to like what I like. I really don’t give a damn what anyone else likes and I mean that matter of factly not in a dismissive or smart a$& way.

Plus this thread is not about that. If I did that, all that you and maybe others would do is post other things to try and upstage it, which I wouldn’t care about anyway.

As I said, I did all the legwork I needed to before I settled on the speakers, and it was in person listening. I don’t really do piecemeal upgrades. My next upgrade won’t be for a few years and it’ll be wholesale so I’m not looking to improve any particular component in meantime.


Not being dismissive because I know you think you’re trying to help but I’m not really looking for any. Well other than the info I pick up from WC’s trials bc my next system will probably be at the DAW/m900u/Bartok level but it isn’t any time imminent.

This thread is for stuff way above my current system and the less we talk about the latter the better, haha. I can hear everyone else going, yeah dude!
Prepare to hear a new XLF soon. I just went back to the stock spikes and removed the stillpoint ultra 5s... 
The speaker did a 360 in so many ways. The bass is now omg deep at any volume level. It is more musical and warmer in a good way. It sounds far less "hot" as Viber calls it. This feeling of having more "caffeine" in the presentation is now gone. I'm shocked at the change in tonality. 
I am starting to feel that I'm not the man that enjoys a lot of these devices that artificially enhance the sound. 
I will go into this in more depth on a future video. For now, just know I'm not doing ultra 5s under the speaker anymore.  I'll try them under the DAC , ,preamp, etc. 
Jay,
I just saw the new video from today.
The presentation of the Evo and Rossini is beautiful. So rich and warm. Recently these have been some of the very very best demonstrations of the ’Jay House sound’ you’ve been chasing since you started your journey.

In another post you mentioned you thought the Evo sounded a bit ’dark’. Well it’s a bit warmer than some if the other amps in the Gryphon lineup but the tonal character is gorgeous. Superbly rich. Gryphon has shown it has so many ways to do tone right.

Bravo! 👏👏👏
Greyhound,
I’ve had tubes in my DAC for a few years but this year built a headphone rig. Long story short is that I never thought headphones could rival 2 channel listening. It does and tubes are a big part of that. Whenever I listen to my 2 channel system I think nothing is better, but when I listen to my headphone rig I don’t miss my 2 channel at all. Both do some things extremely well.

One interesting aspect of this hobby is ’the gear’ and collecting it. Jay loves that and it’s cool to be part of his journey. Tubes are now a part of my journey and I’ve got a collection of 6922’s and 5u4g rectifiers that seem to be growing fast. Lolz

RH67,
Congrats on your new Vette!