A good design is one that is voiced properly and that does not necessarily mean using more expensive parts.@ larryi - That could easily be a direct quote from my previous employer, and it's something we absolutely agree upon.
Speakers as the principle component/other components are servants
Speakers hold the Kingship in our overall audio systems.
I think my recent posts have substaniated this thesis, well at least my opinion of sorts.
This OP came to me after reading through some of (most of what is too deep for my understanding)
pedro's
topic
**Why is science a starting point, yet not the end point?*
Meaning science gives us all sorts of parimeters, specs, graphs and such. Most of which we have no clue how to interpret,
All we ae concerned is , **how does the speaker actually sound**.
Pedro suggests science has let us down, that science, if it was so intelligent, why can't science tell us which speaker is the superior and which the inferior sound???
Obvioulsy science is not the end all /be all.
Its only a tool, human sensibilities come in at the very end to say
Yea
or worse
Nay
I say nay
to all/eversy xover design in the fq's ,,ohh say 800hz = 15khz.
Yeah I know thats a massive chuck of our music.
As many of you know i make very long winded posts
But actually I reduce them to make them more readable and so folks don't lose interest.
~~~So cut to the chase.
We accept high tech in every aspect of our lives.
You name it, super high tech is there,. Had you told us back in 1965, folks would be walking around with telephones, sending pics/videos,,we'd all laugh you at your face as scifi fantasy.
~~~Long story short.
The new wide band /high sensitivity speaker technology. What gives?
Why the denial it exists?
Why the fear to inquisite?
Why the lack of interest?
Why the rejection?
Speakers will crown your system with beauty Or else render it as distortion/low fidelity.
Tweak/,od/upgrade all you want, at how much you care to spend $$$$$ ($40K!!!) on cables etc.
Ain;'t going to make hardly even a miniscle gain in sonics, if the speakers are ~~faulty~~ due to low sensitivity.
Bass woofers, I'll grant low sens Seas and Scaspeaks high end woofers a stunning succcess.
Above 800hz, I have issues with any driver neededing a xover.
I tag these fq's with xovers. The Wet Blanket sound. Sounds mechanical, like compressed music,, comming from a box.
Squeezed, contorted, tiny soundstage, strained fq's if vol is over 10 oclock. = fatigue/Coloration in abundance.
Many fq's of the source, missing in action.
I am not suggesting these new wide band is for everyones taste. Not at all. Only that we should at least give these wide band a consideration as a possible alternative to our old traditional ideas.
Inqusisitiveness is a good thing in all things audio.
Without a healthy curiousity, we putrefy , stagnate.
Even Worse
we might miss out on the super high fidelty we all hope to hear one day in our systems by this neglect of the new high technology in speaker design. .
.
I think my recent posts have substaniated this thesis, well at least my opinion of sorts.
This OP came to me after reading through some of (most of what is too deep for my understanding)
pedro's
topic
**Why is science a starting point, yet not the end point?*
Meaning science gives us all sorts of parimeters, specs, graphs and such. Most of which we have no clue how to interpret,
All we ae concerned is , **how does the speaker actually sound**.
Pedro suggests science has let us down, that science, if it was so intelligent, why can't science tell us which speaker is the superior and which the inferior sound???
Obvioulsy science is not the end all /be all.
Its only a tool, human sensibilities come in at the very end to say
Yea
or worse
Nay
I say nay
to all/eversy xover design in the fq's ,,ohh say 800hz = 15khz.
Yeah I know thats a massive chuck of our music.
As many of you know i make very long winded posts
But actually I reduce them to make them more readable and so folks don't lose interest.
~~~So cut to the chase.
We accept high tech in every aspect of our lives.
You name it, super high tech is there,. Had you told us back in 1965, folks would be walking around with telephones, sending pics/videos,,we'd all laugh you at your face as scifi fantasy.
~~~Long story short.
The new wide band /high sensitivity speaker technology. What gives?
Why the denial it exists?
Why the fear to inquisite?
Why the lack of interest?
Why the rejection?
Speakers will crown your system with beauty Or else render it as distortion/low fidelity.
Tweak/,od/upgrade all you want, at how much you care to spend $$$$$ ($40K!!!) on cables etc.
Ain;'t going to make hardly even a miniscle gain in sonics, if the speakers are ~~faulty~~ due to low sensitivity.
Bass woofers, I'll grant low sens Seas and Scaspeaks high end woofers a stunning succcess.
Above 800hz, I have issues with any driver neededing a xover.
I tag these fq's with xovers. The Wet Blanket sound. Sounds mechanical, like compressed music,, comming from a box.
Squeezed, contorted, tiny soundstage, strained fq's if vol is over 10 oclock. = fatigue/Coloration in abundance.
Many fq's of the source, missing in action.
I am not suggesting these new wide band is for everyones taste. Not at all. Only that we should at least give these wide band a consideration as a possible alternative to our old traditional ideas.
Inqusisitiveness is a good thing in all things audio.
Without a healthy curiousity, we putrefy , stagnate.
Even Worse
we might miss out on the super high fidelty we all hope to hear one day in our systems by this neglect of the new high technology in speaker design. .
.
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@mozartfan The posts are very long and maybe I missed something. What I did read suggested that you are less than enchanted with most everything available today. Thus, I inquired of what it is that you have for a system. I really was sincere about that. If I have misinterpreted any of your posts I sincerely apologize. Nevertheless, I appreciate that you are interested in what my system consists of. Well, I have had a few very nice ones over my lifetime. I retired from the workforce about 3 years ago and after dealing with a total hip replacement I decided to create a better system for my retirement years. Ultimately I will post pictures on my Agon page, now that I am mostly done with building the system. I still need to build a digital front end. For now, I am happy to provide you with a list of the components. Note; there are a lot of great components on the market and there are a lot of great systems that are far better than mine. However, I am very satisfied with the outcome of what I have assembled over these past 2 years. Turntable Rega Planar 10 Cartridge Lyra Delos (soon to upgrade to a Hana, Umami Red) Phono stage Manley Chinook Preamp Balanced Audio Technology VK-33SE Amp Balanced Audio Technology VK-90T (new model, just released) Subwoofer REL S-812 Speakers Dynaudio Contour 60i Dedicated 20 amp circuit for the system Power conditioner Audioquest, Niagara 3000 Signal cables Audioquest, Earth Power cables Audioquest, Tornado (High-Current and Source) Speaker cables Audioquest, William Tell Zero Equipment rack Symposium Acoustics, Foundation Rack Ultra Ampstand Symposium Acoustics, Ultra Pro Stealth Edition Vibration control Symposium Acoustics, Rollerblock Jr HDSE (under all components, including subwoofer) There are plenty of great ones out there, but this one sounds very good to me (and pushed me to my financial limits). I'm not yet certain of what to do for a digital front end, but ultimately I'll get there. Vinyl has been the main source for my entire life. |
You know I have been disparaging, over critical of xover designs to the point of nausea. A condemantion which most fully have earned due not to their bass, nor highs, Its is the 1k-6k hz’s where they have miserably failed. All , every single top name brand, A-Z have sounded like crocking frongs in certain mid band widths. Yet not all deserve this trashing. Have you guys taken a close look at Troels Gravesens designs. Pricey, but definetly top designs of alll xover types. Commercial labs can’t even approached Troel’s designs. I note Troels says some of his designs are 91 db efficient, If this is true, then his designs will compete with these new wide band speakers. When you add all things up, the new wide band wins the contest. For many reasons over Troels top designs. My Q is this, How can Troels acheive 91 db efficiency, when the 3 Seas drivers he uses are all rated below 90db?? anyone? http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/CNO-4.htm |
@mozartfan Your tech person loves his Maggies because they do not add anything to the music. You hear what you put through them. My experience as a dealer shows that there are two basic issues with Maggies: 1. Your room is either not conducive to their size or placement and cannot be "modified" to make it work. 2. Some of your hardware is flawed in some way and needs help. This may require replacing some of it, which many of my customers did and many did not (cost, etc.). However, NO ONE complained that they speakers were not accurate. Give yourself a chance to hear them. If they don't work for you IN YOUR ROOM, go with something else. It is worth the time to try, I promise! Cheers! |
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