B&W PM1 with JL sub or 805D?

I just heard the B&W PM1s this past Wednesday mated to B&W's own PV1D subwoofer. This was a superb ensemble, and there was no lack in lower midrange, upper bass, lower bass, or pretty much anything else. The specs of the 805 and PM1 are not that different in frequency response and power handling. In fact the PM1 specs claim more treble extension. The main difference is that the PM1's sensitivity is rated at 84dB vs. the 805's 88 dB. Other than that, they're both linear down to around 42 Hz.

The PM1 goes deep enough that blending it with a good sub shouldn't be a problem. As much as I like JL subs, the all-B&W rig I heard Wednesday sounded so good I'd recommend you audition the PM1's with the PV1D sub before automatically going with the JL. The integration was superb.

At any rate, I'd go with the PM1's and a good sub. The PM1's draw you into the music with linearity, speed, punch, smoothness, extension, clarity, and excellent soundstage and imaging. I was very impressed.

Thanks for the replies. I guess I am concerned that I was going to be really missing something that the 805D delivered. I suppose that should be the case if they cost almost twice the money.

I think I will stick with the PM1's because I have listened to them and was blown away. Ignorance will be bliss, I will avoid listening to the 805's! The PM1's really did have an incredible soundstage. They were very open and airy with the classical music and the mid-range really delivered.

The question now will be to go with a B&W PV1 sub, like was mentioned in this thread. I have heard multiple reports that it is a great sub...very musical. It's also about $600 less than the JL f110. I am not as concerned about super low frequencies that will rattle the windows. I am more interested in them blending in with the PM1's and filling in the low end.

The biggest price difference between the 805 and PM1 is because the 805 has the diamond tweeter. The PM1 tweeter is very similar except it uses a carbon fiber damped aluminum dome instead. The fiber damping has a significant effect on the behavior or a metal dome. I have several Mirage speakers which all use a titanium dome tweeter, but it's damped by a cloth surround. It's a sweet seductive tweeter with air and detail, but no harshness or ringing.

Having a more conventional but well-executed tweeter dome saves a lot of money, freeing up the cash for a good subwoofer (or two). The demo I heard was put on by B&W, so they were keen to show off how good the PM1 is. I was very impressed. It had much of the speed and transparency of the Wilson Alexandria XLF, though of course not the dynamic range or scale. But it had that core transparency and ability to draw listeners into the music that is so essential.

Johnny, you are comparing the PM1 and sub, to a two hundred thousand dollar speaker?

03-06-12: Toddnkaya
Johnny, you are comparing the PM1 and sub, to a two hundred thousand dollar speaker?

I made it clear that the PM1 can't do what the Alexandria XLF does in frequency extension, dynamics, and ability to fill a large room. But when augmented with a well-matched, very fast subwoofer, properly set up, and in an appropriate size room, the PM1 has that resonance-free highly resolving immediacy that draws you into the music much the same way the Wilson's did, and far more realistically than the $95K Wisdoms system did that night.

It won't do it with everything you throw at it like the Alexandrias, nor will the delivery be quite as visceral, nor would it be suitable to a very large room. But it definitely makes a lot of magic for $2500 (or $4800 fully configured--$500 for the stands and $1800 for the sub).

This was an annual vendor open house at Seattle's best-known high end store. B&W could have demoed anything including the Nautilus. But the PM1 and matching sub is what they chose to show off, and for good reason.