The perplexing part seems to be the Origin Live experience doesn’t have some of the low level background noise issues that they claim are intrinsic and almost expected in vinyl playback. They accuse my reproduction as being like a CD but with analogue emotion. I agree there seams to be more “excitement” in their system’s analogue presentation but in my system the OL presentation is more of what I strive for in my system at this time.
The Miller Carbon Story
Had a real nice conversation this morning with Origin Live’s Mark Baker. Mark makes some of the very best turntables on the planet and I was interested to learn more. This was our first conversation and so he was interested in me as well. This reminded me of others who have asked.
The following story is only superficially about the Miller Carbon. The larger and I would say more important subtext is you can do it too! Please dear reader note the number of times something was tried not knowing whether or not it would work. Like all things in life: The more things you try and the more effort you put into it the better you get at it.
The Miller Carbon Story
My first turntable was a Technics SL-1700 with Stanton 681-EEE. It was 1976. Still have that turntable, anyone can see it, right there on my system page. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367. Rack on the right. Bottom shelf.
Next, after college, came the Listening Room and with it a new turntable. This was way before the internet. All we had was Stereophile On Dead Tree. After reading all the reviews it came down to a VPI package or Basis/Graham. What to do? Cast your mind back, way back, to the primitive past. I faxed my question to Stereophile.
Michael Fremer called me back!
The Basis/Graham was my own decision. Fremer didn’t talk me into anything. Quite the opposite. He was a source of much useful information that helped me make up my own mind. So it was that I learned early on from Michael Fremer what it is that a reviewer really is supposed to do: provide the reader with the information they need to make their own informed decision.
My first high end mod was to remove the cheap rubber power cord from the Basis motor and replace it with an inexpensive power cord. Cheap, but proven to be better than all the freebie PCs and I wanted to find out if it made any difference on a turntable motor.
It did! Same exact improvements heard on the other components it had been tried on before. How or why, who knows, but I heard it. Other mods followed. Different belt materials were used. Silk, cotton, floss. Each had its own influence on the sound. Fascinating!
This was all part of the process of investigating turntable performance in order to upgrade. Easy to read about different materials, mass, motors, bearings- but what does it all mean in the real world? This was my way of figuring it out for myself.
Teres Audio seemed to be the value leader. A complete turntable was too expensive, but the motor could be added to the Basis with only a slight modification for the speed sensor. When this worked out extremely well it gave me the confidence to go for the platter and bearing.
But what about the plinth? Around this time I was working with DJ Casser and his Black Diamond Racing Shelf. His Shelf material was so much more effective than acrylic, it had to make a better plinth too. After a good deal more planning a BDR Source Shelf was cut into a unique sort of egg shape. Another piece was cut 4” diameter, drilled and tapped to be used as the nut to hold the bearing. Two more pieces about 3 inches in diameter were cut and stacked to make the tone arm mount. Three Round Things with Cones were screwed into the bottom of the plinth. The Miller Carbon was born. http://www.teresaudio.com/fame/40.html
The following story is only superficially about the Miller Carbon. The larger and I would say more important subtext is you can do it too! Please dear reader note the number of times something was tried not knowing whether or not it would work. Like all things in life: The more things you try and the more effort you put into it the better you get at it.
The Miller Carbon Story
My first turntable was a Technics SL-1700 with Stanton 681-EEE. It was 1976. Still have that turntable, anyone can see it, right there on my system page. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367. Rack on the right. Bottom shelf.
Next, after college, came the Listening Room and with it a new turntable. This was way before the internet. All we had was Stereophile On Dead Tree. After reading all the reviews it came down to a VPI package or Basis/Graham. What to do? Cast your mind back, way back, to the primitive past. I faxed my question to Stereophile.
Michael Fremer called me back!
The Basis/Graham was my own decision. Fremer didn’t talk me into anything. Quite the opposite. He was a source of much useful information that helped me make up my own mind. So it was that I learned early on from Michael Fremer what it is that a reviewer really is supposed to do: provide the reader with the information they need to make their own informed decision.
My first high end mod was to remove the cheap rubber power cord from the Basis motor and replace it with an inexpensive power cord. Cheap, but proven to be better than all the freebie PCs and I wanted to find out if it made any difference on a turntable motor.
It did! Same exact improvements heard on the other components it had been tried on before. How or why, who knows, but I heard it. Other mods followed. Different belt materials were used. Silk, cotton, floss. Each had its own influence on the sound. Fascinating!
This was all part of the process of investigating turntable performance in order to upgrade. Easy to read about different materials, mass, motors, bearings- but what does it all mean in the real world? This was my way of figuring it out for myself.
Teres Audio seemed to be the value leader. A complete turntable was too expensive, but the motor could be added to the Basis with only a slight modification for the speed sensor. When this worked out extremely well it gave me the confidence to go for the platter and bearing.
But what about the plinth? Around this time I was working with DJ Casser and his Black Diamond Racing Shelf. His Shelf material was so much more effective than acrylic, it had to make a better plinth too. After a good deal more planning a BDR Source Shelf was cut into a unique sort of egg shape. Another piece was cut 4” diameter, drilled and tapped to be used as the nut to hold the bearing. Two more pieces about 3 inches in diameter were cut and stacked to make the tone arm mount. Three Round Things with Cones were screwed into the bottom of the plinth. The Miller Carbon was born. http://www.teresaudio.com/fame/40.html
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Dear @middlemass : " So if we can’t "prove" something, it doesn’t exist. "" You are even smarter than the " smart " mc but even that and talking of what the " marter " mc posted: " digital is noise ", well according your " great logic " as the smarter and you can’t prove it confirm that noise does not exist and is an untrue statement. Got it? Both of you make my day, try to follow that way: smarter. Btw, how is that been you so smarter can't turn a Dynavector into a Grado cartridge? Maybe mc can help you due that his TT mmakes " quite good sound ". Go figure a TT that makes sound. Ovbiously following your logic. R. |
They may find that perplexing but to me it is understandable and indeed a major reason in choosing Origin Live. That was really the over-arching theme or reason for this whole discussion, to try and relate some of what was learned in order to better understand what can be. The other main point, maybe even more important, is to encourage people to actually try and do some of this stuff. Because it is one thing to talk and think, but really we learn by doing. Without doing, anyone can talk themselves into anything. See it all the time. Narrative is the scourge of our times. Doing produces results that cannot be denied. When your Sovereign is silent, well that is just a fact anyone can hear. It should be plain as day the turntable and arm have no way of knowing what to silence and what to pass as music. So if you hear silence from one table and not another you can be sure, absolutely certain, which one is doing it right. The real reason then they are perplexed is they bought into a false narrative. We will know soon enough. The Sovereign is in LA customs. We will know soon enough. |
I'm sorry, but how many people can say this turntable is beautiful ? I'm just curious. This taste in high-end just killing me. With all my respect I can't say it's beautiful, quite opposite.
So many years of tweaking just to have this in the system ? Even if the sound is amazing I would like to stay miles away from such turntables. |
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