Anntenna Question


Hi,

I recently had electricians put a Radio Shack FM antenna on my roof. It's wired with RG-6U cable through a couple of patch panels down to where my receiver is located. Probably about 100' of wire in all.

It doesn't help reception -- in fact, I've gone back to the little wire dipole anenna that comes with the receiver because it sounds better. I put a little Radio Schack antenna amplifier in the mix about 10' from the antenna, and that doesn't help either.

The problem is that I don't know of any way to check whether there's actually a signal on this wire! I have access to bench-quality DVM, but that's about it. Would I require an oscilliscope to check?

I'm also not sure this is the right type of wire, or that I'm hooking it to the receiver correctly.

Any advice appreciated. Thank you!

- Eric
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Let's take another look at the initial installation. That antenna is an omni (circular reception pattern) so as long as it's not mis-installed (somehow grounded to the mast) or defective, it should perform much better than the interior dipole. It likely has 300 ohm terminals (unless self-baluned with a coaxial type F connector) so there should be a 300 ohm to 75 ohm balun between the antenna & your coax type F connector. Make sure it's a single run of coax from antenna to tuner, with no kinks or tight bends, no splitters or anything in between. Any other coax in the house is then irrelevant. RG-6 coax is very good for this application so don't wory about that one bit. Weatherproof any external connections. On your receiver, connect the coax shield to that right "ground" terminal & the coax center-conductor to that middle "75 ohm" terminal. Ensure that none of the shield's fine wires are shorting to the center conductor (both inside & outside) that would kill the signal completely.
Using a multimeter (resistance scale) with the inside coax disconnected from the receiver you should be able to look into the cable & see that balun up top. It may appear to be 75 ohms (or perhaps considerably less impedance at DC) but there should be some continuity present.
Failing all that, your receiver's 75 ohm tap may not be working? Since you know the 300 ohm tap works with the dipole, try another balun inside & connect it to the 300 ohm inputs. Failing that you may even have a defective antenna? Try connecting it into a TV set tuned to mid-VHF channels 4, 5, 6 etc. to see if any signal at all is coming down the pipe. The FM band falls right in between there so if you have no TV signals then that probably explains the lack of any FM.
As always, Bob has analyzed the problem systematically. My gut, tells me the problem is in the multi-room coax installation; either in terms of multiple splitters (although that much coax would act as an antenna of some sort and you should get some kind of signal) or in terms of a break in the walls or at one of the panels. Either way, it seems to me that if you follow Bob's fault tree, you should be able to narrow the problem down pretty tightly.
I want to thank everyone for their responses, especially Bob for his step-by-step advice.

I went back to the cable that goes to the antenna, put an ohmeter on it (as Bob advised), and it's open. I can't "see" the Balun at the antenna. So something is not right in the antenna setup. The problem is not the cable in the house.

Now if I can figure out how the heck to get up on my sharply peaked roof!

- Eric
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The guys over at Audio asylum suggest limiting the RG6 cable run to 25 feet or less for least loss. Also agree about the signal splitting being a problem. If you are lucky your antenna is above your audio room. You could even try running cable out a window and up to the antenna temporarily to see how it works.Be very careful if you get up on a steep pitched roof!!! Use rope and fastening system. If a metal roof use climbing shoes. Also get a helper. My two cents.
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