Phono preamp tube rolling.


As upgrade rush bites again, planning to perform some tube rolling on my Rouge Ares Magnum. Please share some experience with tube rolling on pure tube circuit topology phono preamps. Practical experiences are preferred. Theoretical options are welcome too.
surfmuz
By the chance, did anybody tried Japanese stuff? ….Hitachi 12AX7, NEC 12AU7, Toshiba 12AX7 or Matsushita 12AX7 ?

Vintage Japanese tubes are excellent and I will give you one unique example from my vaults (images taken by myself, use links below before they will be expired).


These are very interesting preamp tubes from Japan (new old stock from the ‘60s). The wonderful "sleeper" in the world of 12AT7s for me are old Japanese tubes. National is a trademark of Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. If you’re set on the sources and still want more tubosity- nothing beats old National (Matsushita) with pinched waist glass and gold pins.

The most well known pinched waist tubes are from Philips Heerlen and Valvo Hamburg. They were made mid to end ‘50s and have the glass pinched around the top mica spacer. I assume this was done to fight microphony. Pinched waist tubes have an indented ring around the middle portion of the glass tube. They’re quite expensive, but not overpriced like Mullard or Telefunken tubes from the same era. I’ve noticed that tubes from 1958 and earlier have a bigger pinch then tubes from around 1960. Personally. I haven’t seen tubes after 1960 with a pinched waist.

P.S. Tube rolling was fun in my integrated amp (I do not use tube phono stages). I’ve been looking for the best 12AT7 type (but not the most expensive as I already had genuine ECC801S Telefunken with diamond glass base).

Japanese tubes are normally cheaper and cheaters do not try to fake them! Most people know nothing about Japanese tubes. If you want to find something use Tube Asylum forum.

Matsushita tube factory in Japan was set up by Mullard!  

Yes, some “Japanese” tubes are re-labeled Mullards or other Euro or US brand, but there’s nothing wrong with that.
Mulveling 

I figured the last tube was  a cathode follower  or how could you get away with a 12 ax7 output impedance into the next stage.  Well  you and Lewm at least  helped him out with  there is a huge difference  between  12au7 and 12ax7.  The 12at7 in the middle.  Explaining how tubes work and how to read their data sheets,  is really  not  what he is looking for.

Enjoy the ride
Tom
IME, Mullard preamp tubes are best. They are hard to find but worth it. I got 12 12AT7s from a collector. Upscale may have some.But they are rare.
@tomwh The ares manual suggest that switch between 12au7, 12ax7 and 12at7 in case to play with the gain…. I did it successfully with no any problem.
My priority is listening to music and I’m not really interested in deep technical details of the tubes, it’s required lot of time. maybe I’ll explore this when I’ll retire… for now I just want to listen and roll, listen and roll :)…to figure out what I like the best…when I’ll be interested in tech questions I’ll post that… my current post is about something else as you could see.